sorry, but the catholic church was established by jesus. it is the only church that can claim to be founded by god and can backed it up biblically, historically, and archaeologically.
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the teaching is based on romans 11: 6.
it is a visible heiracrhical divine organization and is proven by the different church councils in hisotry. as a matter of fact, you are using the product of this visible divine hierarchical organization which is the 27 inspired books of the new testament.
wrong... that bad tree was used by god, guided by the holy spirit, to determine for us the 27 inspired books of the new testament. what is ironic is you accepted it... correct?
the bad tree is not a mark of the one true church in the bible. there is no sinless church. there are always sinful members and leaders. the church is holy because not because of her members but because of her founder, jesus christ. the holy spirit dwells in her as promised by jesus and fills her up with supernatural life (acts2: 1-4). jesus has made the Church herald of his holy gospel, teacher of his holy doctrine, and minister of his holy sacraments (Mt. 28:19-20).
what is in the bible is...one, holy, catholic/universal, and apostolic, as marks of the one true church.
where is this in the bible?
bluedog1us
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Good, I see all our posts on here have finally sunk in. So now you don’t have to believe all those false dogmas the rcc says you HAVE to believe for your salvation. That's good to hear.
A new day
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And the rcc has quite a history of shedding millions of innocent blood over the centuries. Jesus did NOT call His followers to go on political campaigns to conquer and kill nations in order to force them to submit to imperial rule that demanded the people practice paganism. And yup, this can be backed up biblically, historically and archaeologically. NOT an exaggeration. And it didn't begin with the spanish inquisition and didn't stop there, but continued.
The roman catholic church was founded upon imperial roman paganism. The statue of Diana wept, sound familiar? It should, there are weeping mary statues too. In the days of caligula it was the custom of pagan priests to light hundreds of waxed candles before their idols. Everybody remember all the dozens and dozens of lit candles that surrounded that rcc statue that was being paraded in seville, spain? (video bonnie posted) The pagan greeks had talismans hanging about their necks. roman catholic papists have omulets, rosaries, scapulars, and medals of the virgin hanging about them.
God determmined the 27 books they were in use and accepted before your bad tree declared them to be inspired. No need for your evil tree, we owe it nothing at all. You are just taking the glory from God.
Where is it in the bible that His church will have sexually immoral false teachers who abuse children, rape nuns, torture, kill etc??
You are right your bad tree has no marks of being the one true church, Who said there is a sinless church, but no other church makes the false claims that your bad tree does. It is not spotless, it is certainly not holy, it is no where near being apostolic and it is divided. So your so called marks are not met by your bad tree. It certainly is not guided by the HS. It does not look like His church and the only scriptural test it passes is the one for the bad tree.
Jesus has nothing to do with your bad tree, if He did it would not have the foul smell it does, if it was guided by the HS it would not hide sin. Your post is just a cover up of the truth that your institution is not His, it is the bad tree. The real church has leaders who teach the true gospel, you don't. The real church has leaders who protect the sheep, yours doesn't, the real tree has leaders who meet the scriptural requirements for leaders yours doesn't. I could go on but you don't really care that if you use discernment, judgement and test the spirits your institution is seen for what it is the bad tree.
If you want to make the claims that your institution does, then it better live up to those claims. Your institution doesn't live up to them, it makes a mockery of those claims. NO OTHER institution makes those claims about themselves unless they are an off institution eg Mormons etc. Your institution claims are like a person who claims to be born again going around and still sexually molesting children. That would show they are not want the claim to be.
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RayneBeau
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If "you cannot afford to be reckless" ramcam, then why do you freely choose to put your belief in a "reckless" faith called Roman Catholicism, which is anything but a faith that is innately noble. The "RELIGION" of Roman Catholicism echo's one of the worst degenerate lies of our age, - that being that the concept isn't as important as to what you believe, just as long as you believe it fervently enough.
Did you know that kind of 'reckless' faith can actually be seriously harmful ram, - it can lead you away from the true God, by substituting enticing bits of superstition, false statements, even bits and pieces of faith itself in place of the 'truth'. Such "faith" inevitably leads to spiritual disaster.
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who is the founder of your church/religious organization?
again,, where is that in the bible... The real church is the Jesus' church, they come from all denominations.
yes, we cannot afford to be reckless. if we believe in jesus/head/groom we must also believe in his church/body/bride. this is the whole package deal and is a high mystery.
as usual, thanks.
are there also non-catholic christians who are guilty of immorality?
where did i say that?
I have posted the revelant scriptures several times Proves you don't read them
RayneBeau
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So sorry for you bud, because you are willing to disregard crucial biblical distinctives in order to achieve some kind of external unity among all professing Roman Catholics.
True Christianity marked by intelligent, biblical faith is on the rise, even among the most conservative Roman Catholics.