Lol, I will not go past what the verses say .
IOW, you don’t understand what foreknowledge of God means.
Lol, I will not go past what the verses say .
You’re saying believing that God is omniscient is heresy ? If it is I am in pretty good company. edit per modYet you promote the heresy that God looks into the future to see what choices man will make!
God is also not partial....if God is looking to see what choices man makes, and predestines according to the choices of man, that is showing partiality.
Nope, that would be YOU that has no clue.IOW, you don’t understand what foreknowledge of God means.
You’re saying believing that God is omniscient is heresy ?
Nope, that would be YOU that has no clue.
Nope, you don’t even have a clue . I gave you two scriptures that said clearly : 1Pe 1:2 - Elect accordingto the foreknowledge of God.Oh, but I do. I know God isn't dependent on any decision or doing of man in order to carry out His perfect will. You are the one promoting that idea.
How about you tell us the 'how' of Gods foreknowledge.
Why did you edit out my comment ? edit per modYou’re saying believing that God is omniscient is heresy ? If it is I am in pretty good company. edit per mod
and all you have /had are petty questions to throw doubt on God’s word. Your loss not mine.
Why did you edit out my comment ? edit per mod
Hypotheticals are not taught in scriptures. God is omnisicient, omnipresent, and ominipotent and they are CLEARLY taught. No guess work.Show me the scripture you are thinking about. Hypotheticals about God’s powers and abilities I generally don’t get involved with.
Tells us exactly how God does His foreknowledge. Exactly how does this unfold in the scriptures?
To answer your question, let’s take 1 Pet 1-2 as one election example. In 1 Pet 1:1-2, it was God’s foreknowledge that many Jews were to be dispersed across northern and central Anatolia. And those Jewish Diaspora, who would later become Christians, would be in a position and location to advance the Kingdom of God through their obedience to their election call.Tell us what foreknowledge of God it was the He used to make His choices. WHAT did God foreknow before making the choice to predestine someone? Was it foreknowledge of the choices said person would make?
Right, how about this then: we are elect according to the foreknowledge of God. Everyone agrees with that; however, not everyone agrees about what foreknowledge is. That is the reason for the two questions, questions which you have, thus far, not even attempted to answer.All I am getting is questions that avoids the two verses I posted that show that the elect are based on God’s foreknowledge as is His predestination is based on His foreknowledge . Then I get the standard deflection like “ what foreknowledge did God use” / what did God foreknow before Making the choice to predestine someone. Anything but actually debating on the scriptures that say elect according to the foreknowledge of God.
To answer your question, let’s take 1 Pet 1-2 as one election example. In 1 Pet 1:1-2, it was God’s foreknowledge that many Jews were to be dispersed across northern and central Anatolia. And those Jewish Diaspora, who would later become Christians, would be in a position and location to advance the Kingdom of God through their obedience to their election call.
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect sojourners of the Dispersion of Pontus, of Galatia, of Cappadocia, of Asia, and of Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Notice the “sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ”. That is very closely tied to the obedience shout of the Jews in the OT to their holy calling. And then the High Priest would sprinkle blood on them afterwards.
Exo 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the ears of the people. And they said, All that Jehovah has said we will do, and be obedient.
Exo 24:8 And Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which Jehovah has made with you concerning all these words.
In summary, our Election call is a preordained work/role that God has preassigned to His elect, based on His foreknowledge, for them to accomplish in order to further the Kingdom of God. Good works are an integral part of that as they are preordained for us (Eph 2:10).
That’s why our election is conditional
Nowhere does the Bible say election is conditional.To answer your question, let’s take 1 Pet 1-2 as one election example. In 1 Pet 1:1-2, it was God’s foreknowledge that many Jews were to be dispersed across northern and central Anatolia. And those Jewish Diaspora, who would later become Christians, would be in a position and location to advance the Kingdom of God through their obedience to their election call.
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect sojourners of the Dispersion of Pontus, of Galatia, of Cappadocia, of Asia, and of Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Notice the “sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ”. That is very closely tied to the obedience shout of the Jews in the OT to their holy calling. And then the High Priest would sprinkle blood on them afterwards.
Exo 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the ears of the people. And they said, All that Jehovah has said we will do, and be obedient.
Exo 24:8 And Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which Jehovah has made with you concerning all these words.
In summary, our Election call is a preordained work/role that God has preassigned to His elect, based on His foreknowledge, for them to accomplish in order to further the Kingdom of God. Good works are an integral part of that as they are preordained for us (Eph 2:10). That’s why our election is conditional on our diligence (2 Pet 1:10). Our holy calling (election) is a work/task/calling that needs to be performed with diligence. Furthermore, any attempt to conflate salvation/predestination with election (preordained good works/role) is to promote a works based salvation.
The Bible reveals that our election is conditional on us being positioned "in Him". There is no getting around that fact.Since God grants us repentance and faith AND preordained our works, then He’s not looking to first see what man does before predestination
Please forward Bible verse that explicitly says that all sheep are unconditionally saved.No it isn’t. We are kept by the power of God. Jesus will lose none of His sheep.
It does not say our election is conditionalThe Bible reveals that our election is conditional on us being positioned "in Him". There is no getting around that fact.
(Eph 1:4) "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,"
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When do you think they were positioned "in Christ"?
(Eph 2:11) Therefore remember that you, the nations, in time past were in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(Eph 2:12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(Eph 2:13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
Please forward Bible verse that explicitly says that all sheep are unconditionally saved.
I would bank on being "in Christ" as the assurance of not only my salvation but also my election.
The Bible reveals that our election is conditional
on us being positioned "in Him". There is no getting around that fact.
(Eph 1:4) "according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,"
The Ephesians were told that they "were without Christ" and they are "now in Christ Jesus". When do you think they were positioned "in Christ"?
I would bank on being "in Christ" as the assurance of not only my salvation but also my election.
Our election is conditional on being positioned "in Him" and on our diligence:Nowhere does the Bible say election is conditional.