holiness refers to the founder, not the members... got it?
Circular Reasoning
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Let me see:
Which verse? I have posted so many verses in these threads.
But this is the only test your institution passes:
Matt 7
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Yep you institution has produced a lot of bad fruit.
No you are saying it is a mark of the institution, it is not a mark of the founder. Though the bad fruit gives us a clue as to who founded your institution and it is NOt Jesus.
Arch Stanton
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Still waiting for your proof ?️ ??
Really you demand from others what you never provide yourself? LOL. You make inane comments on a regular basis as well thinking you are funny. Wait.
the mark of the founder of the institution.
it is a divine institurion filled with the holy spirit, providing her the means to help make holy the sinners who are found in her ranks.
“Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the Church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish” (Eph. 5:25-27).
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Our Lord's God
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Self identifying doesn't make it so and won't make it so.
Try self identifying as a carrot and see if it actually works. It doesn't. But the deluded still think it does work.
Bad trees self identifying as good trees doesn't make them good trees. They are still bad trees attempting to pose as good trees.
Rome has barrels full of rotten fruit. You will KNOW them by their fruits.
The church here is only those who truly have the Spirit of God within them. There is no such thing as a member of the body of Christ without the Holy Spirit that teaches them, spiritual ones discerning spiritual things. Only these have the mind of Christ and only these as a whole are the true church.
10 For to us God revealed through the Spirit for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the things of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in teachings of human words of wisdom, but in teachings of the Spirit, spiritual ones discerning spiritual things. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:10ff.
ONLY these are the true church, the temple where God's Spirit dwells. 3:16-17
Some were saying "I follow Paul" (1:12) and Paul is explaining through four whole chapters that this is a colossal mistake because his theological wisdom is not the wisdom of God. The wisdom of God is something else - the person Jesus Christ himself. We are not to follow Paul and his theological but Christ, a person who is himself the wisdom of God. Wisdom teachings about Christ is not Christ. Today, people likewise say, "I follow the Pope" or "I follow the Magesterium." Same colossal error. But the natural man rejects this truth because he cannot comprehend it for to him, the teachings of men about God ARE the wisdom of God. Fools. The wisdom of God comes only from above.
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T
Yep that passage is about the real church, not the bad tree church.
That is the myth you tell yourself to justify the fact that your institution is not what it claims to be and does not have the right marks. But it does have the marks of its real founder, it is filthy, it is full of sexual immorality, it lies and is not truthful, it teaches false doctrines.
Yep that passage is about the real church, not the bad tree church.
Oh you mean the reply that shows you do not read scripture or maybe you just don't understand it.
JoeT
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It is the Holy Catholic Church that is the Body of Christ. Thus, being the Body of Christ the Church is Holy as Christ is Holy.
JoeT
Our Lord's God
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Self identifying as Christ's body will never make it so.
Butthe self deception of confirmation bias is all Catholics have.
You and your friends have failed to prove that Jesus founded your institution. To be the body of Christ it must pass the scriptural test and it must look like the body in scripture. It doesn't meet the criteria for being the body of Christ, so the claim that it is the body of Christ is false. Therefore the claim it is holy, is also false.
JoeT
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So, you've never read Scripture? Did he start tens of thousands competing half true churches or One Church? Maybe Christ started One Church for each believer because He knew they would worship a book in the ensuing 1,500 years. Many Churches yet one body?
JoeT
JoeT
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There is nothing to self identify with. Only One Church was consecrated by Christ, not churches. The only Church that Christ created was The Way, which became the Catholic Church. How many Christ(s) are there? One for this church, another for that one.
In one way it is indeed self described, in another it is the Holy Spirits description. Scripture was written by the Apostles for the authority of the Church, they described themselves as "the Body of Christ". However, they were inspired by the Holy Spirit to describe themselves this way.
JoeT
Our Lord's God
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Then why do you go right ahead and do just that in the very next breath? (your comments below)
Your church doesn't just happen to be the church Christ created because that is what you want to be so.
But that's your self identifying confirmation bias routine.
No it is you who has never read scripture. The real church is made up of real believers no matter what denomination. I know RCs tend to just read parts of the bible that suit them and then they give it the RC twist. But Jesus never established a bad tree and your institution is exactly that, the bad tree.
Please prove that last false witness against others. He certainly didn't make up an institution that would bear false witness against others, as RCs do. He did not establish an institution that would worship statues and make up a goddess and pretend they don't worship her. He certainly would have nothing to do with an institution that harms the flock which yours does.. He certainly didn't make an institution that wears a dirty bridal grown and yours does.
JoeT
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Oh but I don't - it might seem that way to you because the One True Church is not just another one of those unholy churces.
That's because unlike your church it is not the figment of my imagination, it Christ's work we call "Church", His Body.
JoeT
Yep but your institution has shown throughout the centuries that it is an unholy church. It is a total figment of your imagination that Jesus started such a foul institution whose fruit's bad smell reaches into the heavens.