What is "freewill"?

When has your Will ever made a "choice" among options that have not been presented from a source external to itself?

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People our will has been always united to him before our birth when we are born we thik we have indpeendence from him or we started in this existence born a citizen in A counrty and we are not coneccted to him ?

We are and have always been here the error we think we are seperated from him by independance or by vote or by going to the ballot. Know we are in A greater thing and that is love. Know in how in A realm or in kingdom of love know we were never meant to be born inpendant from him. We were meant in to be with him always perhaps our idealogy of freedom and politics cannot be used in this relationship. Here two promblems that come and clash that our existence is us knowing we exist and conscience gives us the ability to know who we are and what is life and it's purpose but the other clash is we are born/created from God and did not want us to kow good and evil but wanted to live in the garden and knowing becomes sin and we are spearate from him and know freedom is sin ? No, we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did can we ahve the realtionship Adam had with God like Jesus had with God ? Yes.

The first is that we are born into existence know we are being we are born picture this if Human created and A.I. and it could live and feel like us but still would it ask space and says he diecide evrything by itself qwhat you would you ? let it decide already and it's virgin mind be crisp clean and letting ti go it's own way like the wiond and ggoes perfectly align in the universe by itself ? Some would argu it should be free because it would fit life perfectly going it's natural way and not our humans and animal way to destroy and contorl everhything like our civilization has done since greeks and since romans to do. Rememeber we were never meant to be like this with A civilization and army, No. He sill wanted us to obey hima nd be in the Garden to be in paradise forever bu came the enemy ( the devil) and our paraidzse ruin.

No, God-relation with man isn't like an A.I. been created or A mamal been born to be like deer or leopard and go thweir natural way and live life in the circle of life. Our realtion was never for the animals and us to be in paradise and no animal kill each other. We were created to live and be seravnts of the most high our purpose was another. He made us to choose and gave us freewil since the beggingin to live but those who know what destiny is and what future,past, and present know you live you born and die say you don't have freewil your life is planned already liek animals and you live in the box. You can't get out, Her scientist and rational humainze come to conlfict with both clashes and realize that choosing is not real !

No, people you can choose and your decison change everything but you do not have the inteliggence to be hummble and to wise know, our paths are can change and predetermination and God's soveriegn and ot his soveriegn do exist and have their been in destiny what he wrote changed ? yes God writes everything we do and writes what your going to do. But god allows probabilities billions to one that things can change and destiny can change people. We have Elijah, Huldah, and Moses who change the future of Israel and show probabilities do exist and do happen.

Know there is born to existence and consciuonsess in this world that we are born and theologist , writtters , and greek thinkers, german thinkers like Nietzche, socrates, aristotles, and Einstein say to leave that of A born baby consciouness is original and shows only good and A way that existence is based on human efforts not true our exsitence is not base on our efforts. And originality is given by our consciousness and perception but know they are wrong. This is why an error remember in this discussion man cannot know evil if not for good and evil tree it is important that we realize if an A.I. created will not undertand what God established things. So know ther eis A difference.

1.human created A.I. and it has freedom and born crisp clean

2. God-man realationship we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did. Know this the importance of freedom we must have the realtion Jesus ahd with God and align our will with his and originaly liek he wanted and know you have freedom to do only good and it is how perfect freedom is with him and know it is better than any doubt modern thinkers like einstien, max plank aristoltes and socrates would argue about destinypredetermiantion, future , past and present.

Be in God' path by putting yor will to his and avoid this conflicts.
 
People our will has been always united to him before our birth when we are born we thik we have indpeendence from him or we started in this existence born a citizen in A counrty and we are not coneccted to him ?

We are and have always been here the error we think we are seperated from him by independance or by vote or by going to the ballot. Know we are in A greater thing and that is love. Know in how in A realm or in kingdom of love know we were never meant to be born inpendant from him. We were meant in to be with him always perhaps our idealogy of freedom and politics cannot be used in this relationship. Here two promblems that come and clash that our existence is us knowing we exist and conscience gives us the ability to know who we are and what is life and it's purpose but the other clash is we are born/created from God and did not want us to kow good and evil but wanted to live in the garden and knowing becomes sin and we are spearate from him and know freedom is sin ? No, we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did can we ahve the realtionship Adam had with God like Jesus had with God ? Yes.

The first is that we are born into existence know we are being we are born picture this if Human created and A.I. and it could live and feel like us but still would it ask space and says he diecide evrything by itself qwhat you would you ? let it decide already and it's virgin mind be crisp clean and letting ti go it's own way like the wiond and ggoes perfectly align in the universe by itself ? Some would argu it should be free because it would fit life perfectly going it's natural way and not our humans and animal way to destroy and contorl everhything like our civilization has done since greeks and since romans to do. Rememeber we were never meant to be like this with A civilization and army, No. He sill wanted us to obey hima nd be in the Garden to be in paradise forever bu came the enemy ( the devil) and our paraidzse ruin.

No, God-relation with man isn't like an A.I. been created or A mamal been born to be like deer or leopard and go thweir natural way and live life in the circle of life. Our realtion was never for the animals and us to be in paradise and no animal kill each other. We were created to live and be seravnts of the most high our purpose was another. He made us to choose and gave us freewil since the beggingin to live but those who know what destiny is and what future,past, and present know you live you born and die say you don't have freewil your life is planned already liek animals and you live in the box. You can't get out, Her scientist and rational humainze come to conlfict with both clashes and realize that choosing is not real !

No, people you can choose and your decison change everything but you do not have the inteliggence to be hummble and to wise know, our paths are can change and predetermination and God's soveriegn and ot his soveriegn do exist and have their been in destiny what he wrote changed ? yes God writes everything we do and writes what your going to do. But god allows probabilities billions to one that things can change and destiny can change people. We have Elijah, Huldah, and Moses who change the future of Israel and show probabilities do exist and do happen.

Know there is born to existence and consciuonsess in this world that we are born and theologist , writtters , and greek thinkers, german thinkers like Nietzche, socrates, aristotles, and Einstein say to leave that of A born baby consciouness is original and shows only good and A way that existence is based on human efforts not true our exsitence is not base on our efforts. And originality is given by our consciousness and perception but know they are wrong. This is why an error remember in this discussion man cannot know evil if not for good and evil tree it is important that we realize if an A.I. created will not undertand what God established things. So know ther eis A difference.

1.human created A.I. and it has freedom and born crisp clean

2. God-man realationship we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did. Know this the importance of freedom we must have the realtion Jesus ahd with God and align our will with his and originaly liek he wanted and know you have freedom to do only good and it is how perfect freedom is with him and know it is better than any doubt modern thinkers like einstien, max plank aristoltes and socrates would argue about destinypredetermiantion, future , past and present.

Be in God' path by putting yor will to his and avoid this conflicts.

The only thing that separates unbelievers from God is their unbelief.
 
The base of freewill is what G-d wanted man with freewill before the fall man had man freewill ? and it was perfect ? Yes, Becuase it was align with him before all this of politics, sin, and works and faith of slavation were not part of this he wanted us to be with him in the garden and do one thing . Trust in him put our faith can we keep having our faith and keep the relation with Adam like G-d intended even though we are fallen and cannot be pure like he was, Inoccent ? Jesus is that second Adam he had A relationship and did what Adam was supposed to be A son, A servant and love like G-d loves the world. We are not perfect but we do 10% of the work, 50% of the work and 90 of the work % of faith and he does the rest in mysterious ways. Remember we are imperfect of the fall.

Know that the base of freewill the secret is what he wants before the fall and can we understand the concept of freewill ? He gave man choice to eat the tree of good and evil ? Yes, he did. So know there is freewill concept in what is slavery in the law of mosaic law and how you are liberated, and what is concept of how democracy of goverment of law say and gives freewill to choose A president or leader, the freewill of philosophy greeks talk, the freewill of from sin that Jesus liberates you and what Romans 8:8-9 NLT this verses says from satan. Know that to understand the freewill God gave Adam in the Eden is still the base of all this and we must do what Jesus did. Freewill means different in each culture because the words don't mean the same know the definition in hebrew is another in form of freedom of choice but inside the law and what greeks say about freewill is not the same and it is what influence
 
Our modern system in law and what we call liberalism but it is not what God is talking about and what the law says in the mosaic way and how jesus freed us from sin. Thru the mosaic law using the new testament by fullfiling it. Know that is the crucial and essential infromation we talk about and use verses to reveal the 2 commandments help us in the that road. And all this thread reveals to us that infromation. Know there is freewill in the flesh and in the spirit but loves is hte base of it. And destiny, predestination, probabilites of A billion to one, actions and owrks by faith decide our future, and God soveriegn over it and not God soveriegn in the future exist. It all exist and God's plan is what is goes in the end.

Know this why we must understand hebrew lexicon emaning and greek one's too because God's commandmnets are used to be exact and what he ordered in he way and issued was meant for kings, prophets, and his people and we must study thoroughly more and find they meaning to it and discover he meant freewil in one way and freewill for his people thrue Jesus and thru the law another way.
 
freewill existed before adam and eve and the devil had it he chosed to rebelled. You saw it exist does the plan of G-d involves love and choosing to be free. Choose to put you will in G-d's will becuase it cause you conflict like everyone that it's impossible don't be in the box that is fate and destiny and what you decide is cannot be without god already planning it ?
The plan of God of giving thanks always is different of how he put the laws of physics and laws of probabilities in the world don't go to conlfict everything is possible. Know that mistake was made with moses and huldah and eliajh shows that fate can be changed. But still to pray and pray and doing the impossible to change your fate your destiny of being shoemaker or being into a lawyer is possible if you want. G-d has moved the universe and the fate of our humanity in wars with assyrians when he sent an angel, he makes miracles everyday and moves time and universe. ungratefulness is what all say because they have cobnflict say it's impossible God already plan for you everything but he's plan of god about been thankful even when bad things and been faithful and obeying him in good and bad times isn't about the future beenalready planned and impossible to avoid his soveriegn and he chosed the path already !


1. what he planned premptively in how the universe wrks and moves the sun and you have night and day and you age and you were bron in A planet God wrote that. physics work and you do everyday on works and buy groceries and food he establish laws.


2.probablitlies that everything changes and destiny moves constantly even when you don't know and G-d gives you every day to change you lifespan choose a better path by eating vegetables and changing your course of life not making the bad decison going to war and decided to go have job in kentucky and you change routes. everyday people the universe makes cracks in its fabric of how the destiny and chances are made by faith by believing by praying know God hears ya and God moves it all. Everything is possible God has used jews and did incredible things like making kings out of ordinary people makins miracles and making man into prophets and moving the universe for them. God does more thinsg we don't know he does for us becuase he loves us.


3.Don't be like the scientists who say everything is already planned he is a dictator god because he already decided everything for us and didn't let us choose. know if you decided things out of nowhere and you popped out of the planet and God ceases to exist you became God you wouldn't know what was the last things God did, then you will decide everything and you will make so many errors because you can't do what God does, and realese finally he was right and he put things all for A reason. Those scientist agnostic thinks if they were God decided everything realized how hard God life is deciding everything and he gave you all but you made the bad decisions in life. You had all the freedom you woulnd't know what to do with it and just make mistakes and if you were free to do everything and be A god you wouldn't find true love you woulnd't do things you just be the same individual looking for things and think having all the freedom and you decided everything you woulnd't find that special thing God has for youa t the end in heaven. You will be lost and still be unperfect those scientist just blame and if they had everything they will just mess up and realize didn't go their way either and mess up.
 
Yes. But if we are not all knowing (omniscience), then that makes us inconsistence God's nature.

That is the reason why Jesus told us that only Truth will make us free.
We need objectivity to think with God's thinking.

In other words?

We need to become as knowledgeable as it is possible of God's Word!


"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and forever! Amen."


2 Peter 3:18​

Note: Before verse 18. Peter had just finished writing about the specialized knowledge that God gave Paul to teach.
That was said before Peter was telling his people to grow in the grace and knowledge of God's Word.

Peter also stated how Paul's writings can contain truth difficult and hard to understand. Its stands the same today. For if Peter found it hard to understand? We need patience and to be blessed by a few good teachers with the capacity to teach as needed.

Limiting oneself to living to learning and defending denominational dogma and creeds, produces mundane assembly line - cookie cutter - believers.

grace and peace .....................
 
Yes that's right, because Judaism teaches that they have to do before they believe. But Christianity teaches that we as believers are to believe and then do, because the belief that causes a believer's salvation originates in God and not man.

Belief in Christ brings to the Christian a new spiritual nature (regeneration).
A new nature so we can begin to discover and function in what God wants us to become through transformation.


"Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation.
The old way of living has disappeared. A new way
of living has come into existence."


2 Cor 5:17​

The Greek rendered as "new creation" means something entirely new. Something like nothing else before it.
We have been made to become spiritual in our function. But we must learn how to operate this function properly by God's grace.

We must begin learning how to be filled with the Spirit. Otherwise, our works will often be done in the energy of the flesh.
For that reason too many Christians never grow spiritually and end up being religious, not spiritual. That status remaining may be referred to as "denominational legalism."
 
Belief in Christ brings to the Christian a new spiritual nature (regeneration).
A new nature so we can begin to discover and function in what God wants us to become through transformation.

And all of this regeneration and transformation is gained through believing God right?
 
And all of this regeneration and transformation is gained through believing God right?
Faith.... right.

Once we believe God begins doing the work.
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and
trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good
pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13​


One of the reasons we have to deal with 'fear and trembling' is because God does not fear taking us where we would fear.

We must outgrow our old self and walk in the newness of God's life.

Its a process that takes time and patience, and lot's of truth along the way being accepted and believed in the Spirit in order to become transformed into what has been desiring of us to become in Him.

One goal of working out or own salvation in fear and trembling?

Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment;
because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear (dread) in love; but perfect love casts
out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made mature in love.
We love Him because He first loved us." 1 John 4:17-18​

That's why we should not tolerate and to scorn dogmatically taught false teachings that only trap us into a position of insecurity, that some defend themselves by means of working up a facade of dogmatic stubbornness that they refer to as "having conviction."

grace and peace!
 
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Faith.... right.

Once we believe God begins doing the work.
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and
trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good
pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13​


grace and peace!

Yes faith is belief too.

What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but believes God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
 
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That is the reason why Jesus told us that only Truth will make us free.
We need objectivity to think with God's thinking.

In other words?

We need to become as knowledgeable as it is possible of God's Word!


"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and forever! Amen."


2 Peter 3:18​

Note: Before verse 18. Peter had just finished writing about the specialized knowledge that God gave Paul to teach.
That was said before Peter was telling his people to grow in the grace and knowledge of God's Word.

Peter also stated how Paul's writings can contain truth difficult and hard to understand. Its stands the same today. For if Peter found it hard to understand? We need patience and to be blessed by a few good teachers with the capacity to teach as needed.

Limiting oneself to living to learning and defending denominational dogma and creeds, produces mundane assembly line - cookie cutter - believers.

grace and peace .....................

Much why I argue against the Calvies entrapment protocol.
 
Yes faith is belief too.

What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but believes God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Well? Jesus called believing in him to be what?

Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
(they were looking for legalism)
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
(Jesus showed them the grace way)
John 6:28-29​
If you read Romans 4 you will find the Abraham situation. But, why was it said? Read Romans 3. Paul was leading up to showing them that attempting salvation by the Law was not real.​
The Law assigns works.​
Grace accepts a work that is not assigned in the Law, but is the result of choice to believe.​
 
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Grace accepts a work that is not assigned in the Law, but is the result of choice to believe.
Grace is God's free gift, that is not earned or owed by anything we do or will do. As is Faith, its Grace wrought Faith. Romans 3 & 4 Paul is highlighting that God fulfills his promise in Christ for his people. That Grace through faith Alone is God's Free Gift, not earned by us. This includes Faith.
 
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