Well most RCs post the faith, through grace, is not enough to save. So you tell me, we have asked often what else?What else do I need?
Well most RCs post the faith, through grace, is not enough to save. So you tell me, we have asked often what else?What else do I need?
We were taught that we had the assurance of salvation when I went through RC schools. Is this new teachings?Yes,
No an indulgence doesn't absolve due restitution for a crime or sin. It relates to the injury to the relationship between a person and God that is the effect of sin. You know that hurt felt at having let God down and let yourself down. It impacts on all relationships around you. That's the temporal punishment meant.Interesting. If a catholic is incarcerated for a crime and that 'temoral punishment' is removed through an indulgence are they set free? This is the nonsense man made religion fools people into believing.
That depends on what you mean by "assurance."We were taught that we had the assurance of salvation when I went through RC schools. Is this new teachings?
That is because Protestants are so stubborn and thick necked that the refuse to understand Catholic teaching on Faith and works.Well most RCs post the faith, through grace, is not enough to save. So you tell me, we have asked often what else?
No we are talking about assurance of heaven and you knew that. More game playing, diverting.That depends on what you mean by "assurance."
If you mean "Can you know that you are in God's family, God's Grace, and thus, destined for heaven, vs. not in God's Grace, need to repent, etc?" Of course, you can. This is why God gave us a conscience.
Your views have been different to other RCs who claim it is faith plus.That is because Protestants are so stubborn and thick necked that the refuse to understand Catholic teaching on Faith and works.
Works are NOT "added" to Faith. Faith and works are BOTH aspects of GRACE.
OK; so sayith StellaNo an indulgence doesn't absolve due restitution for a crime or sin. It relates to the injury to the relationship between a person and God that is the effect of sin. You know that hurt felt at having let God down and let yourself down. It impacts on all relationships around you. That's the temporal punishment meant.
Yes, Matthew 5 describes an indulgence. To my knowledge outside the Catholic Church, that practice no longer exists?OK; so sayith Stella
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Matt.5:23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar,and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way;first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.25 Agree with thine adversary quickly,whiles thou art in the way with him;lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge,and the judge deliver thee to the officer,and thou be cast into prison.26 Verily I say unto thee,Thou shalt by no means come out thence,till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way;
first be reconciled to thy brother,
Now that is hard to do
So
Hey; says Rome
just buy an indulgence from us that sell;
and all is good
SoYes, Matthew 5 describes an indulgence. To my knowledge outside the Catholic Church, that practice no longer exists?
The selling of indulgences is condemned for hundreds of years. No one is asked to pay.Buzzard said:
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Matt.5:23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar,and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way;first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.25 Agree with thine adversary quickly,whiles thou art in the way with him;lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge,and the judge deliver thee to the officer,and thou be cast into prison.26 Verily I say unto thee,Thou shalt by no means come out thence,till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way;first be reconciled to thy brother,
Now that is hard to do
So
Hey; says Rome; we have a better way
just buy an indulgence from us that sell;
and all is good
'Back in the day,' Roman Catholics were emphatically taught that to believe in the assurance of salvation was, as balshan said, and is also stated in the RCC Encyclopedia as being "a presumption upon the mercy of God" and that mortal sin results in "eternal separation from God," requiring penance for restoration.Yes,
Yep now it is making donations for buildings. Potato, Patoto.The selling of indulgences is condemned for hundreds of years. No one is asked to pay.
How is Matthew 5 26 taught in your church?
The selling of indulgences is condemned for hundreds of years. No one is asked to pay.
How is Matthew 5 26 taught in your church?
In that case then, you must also know that because Roman Catholicism teaches that a [Roman Catholic] 'Christian' may lose his or her salvation, it argues that "not even faith . . . or conversion . . . or reception of baptism . . . or constancy throughout life . . . can gain for one the right to salvation . . . " and that all these are held to be only "the forerunners of attainment" toward salvation.Yes,
This is exactly where presumption is sin. When the 'elect' presume a right to salvation, which we are taught is not actually a right.In that case then, you also must know that because Roman Catholicism teaches that a [Roman Catholic] 'Christian' may lose his or her salvation, it argues that "not even faith . . . or conversion . . . or reception of baptism . . . or constancy throughout life . . . can gain for one the right to salvation . . . " and that all these are held to be only "the forerunners of attainment" toward salvation.
This is exactly where presumption is sin. When the 'elect' presume a right to salvation, which we are taught is not actually a right.
Where are indulgences taught in the Bible?No an indulgence doesn't absolve due restitution for a crime or sin. It relates to the injury to the relationship between a person and God that is the effect of sin. You know that hurt felt at having let God down and let yourself down. It impacts on all relationships around you. That's the temporal punishment meant.
Indulgences are the "loosing" part of binding and loosing.Where are indulgences taught in the Bible?
Oh really???? Then kindly show us where the word "indulgences" is found in those verses....or at least, the concept and teaching of indulgences.Indulgences are the "loosing" part of binding and loosing.