Better sentences for one.Why crafted artifact will you leave behind for your legacy?
Better sentences for one.Why crafted artifact will you leave behind for your legacy?
No, Jesus didn't do what the Bible says. I know you find that idea unacceptable.Then you didn't actually do what Jesus said. You may have done what someone else told you he said, but you missed it.
So, instead of arguing with me about it, what do you actually want?
Do you actually want to know God, or are you content just claiming that you failed to accomplish anything?
Looking for excuses again Steve?Really? What did he say to believe?
Just believe in belief?
Believe in the sunshine?
What did he say to believe?
That tells me that you can't accept that I actually believed him because that would show the bible to be wrong.And yet here you are telling me that you never experienced him.
That tells me that you didn't actually believe him.
You may indeed have had the appearance of godliness but denied the power thereof.
So you keep telling me Steve.YHVH says that he will come and make his home with you.
That sounds like something to expect to take place.
As mentioned before... my wife and I have been married for over 32 years now. Living under the same roof as each other brings some serious expectations and experiences. It's an unmistakable thing. There's nothing else like it in the world.
Sounds like Jesus was a no show.According to the bible, we who follow Jesus are engaged to be married to him. In Ephesians 5, and Revelation 19, we're referred to as the Bride of Christ.
It's something that carries with it an unmistakable sense of connection with, and relationship between us and God/Jesus.
So.... yeah. I'd say that you should indeed be expecting God to show up in pretty powerful, yet primal ways.
Sounds like you missed Jesus.
That fraud authored the bible.We're told in 3 distinct locations in the new testament, that God will give us his Holy Spirit as a deposit, a down payment, and a pledge of our inheritance in Christ.
In another place, we're told that if we don't have the Spirit of Christ in us, we are not his.
We're further told in an old testament book that God will give us his Holy Spirit to cause us to keep his ordinances and judgments.
So, that's several places where God has explicitly stated that he will give us his Holy Spirit to work in and through our lives to demonstrate that we are heading to heaven. This doesn't include the numerous other places where God says he will work through our lives to change us, and the world in which we live.
So.... if you didn't experience this, and it was nothing more than some long dead promise of something that would happen in some nondescript future....
You got shanked by some fraud who cheated you out of what God said he would do on your behalf.
Sounds like you still accept experience as the final authority.I used to accept experience as the final authority.
Then I woke up from surgery and found I was still alive. Then the doctors started telling me that I was a miracle and shouldn't be alive, yet here I was, living, breathing and giving them strange looks because of their wondrous words, and declarations.
Then I returned to the doctor for a follow up appointment and he told me that the experience I was extended beyond a mere gunshot wound. My throat no longer bore the scars, and experienced evidence of a bullet ripping through my throat, changing my life forever.
What my initial experience did was to threaten my life and bring me to the brink of my mortality.
My secondary experience showed me something entirely different, far more than I'd ever imagined.
God stepped into my world and showed me a whole new realm. A realm where death is exchanged for life, despair for hope, discouragement for encouragement, joy for sorrow, emptiness for fulfillment...
God stepped in and showed me himself and told me-- I will take the things you think matter, and give you in exchange what really matters.
It's like a father who asks their child to give up their old raggedy toy, and is offering them a much better toy in exchange, but doesn't show them the toy being offered. They're asking their child to believe them. To trust that they are loved by the parent and their future is of the utmost importance to the parent.
I don't think you are.And yet I am reading what you're saying.
Consider the following...
If you don't think that what you're writing is being conveyed back to you accurately, then state it differently.
No, based upon what you read in the Bible and what other believers tell you.Indeed it is.
Based entirely on what you post, and what God said about your expressly stated thoughts.
You're just triggered is all.
Here it is again... "christ punk!"
Now tell us some more about how outraged you are, puss.
Better sentences for one.
Here, let me show you, puss:Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Give me the smelling salts. 5wize is being so rebellious. How-evah will I handle it?
Here, let me show you, puss:
"One can only speculate as to what in your life possessed you to become such a seething, hateful and angrily vicious person to use such a phrase."
Here, let me show you, puss:Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Give me the smelling salts. 5wize is being so rebellious. How-evah will I handle it?
You should seriously consider Tinder, lonely boy. Man, woman, half-n-half.... it doesn't seem to matter in your case, but you seem to gravitate to using these comments towards other men so I have my suspicions.. You just really need to express this more intimate part of yourself somewhere else.Fantasizing about me and Roy Roger's stuffed horse, Craftsman?
Here, let me show you, puss:
"One can only speculate as to what in your life possessed you to become such a seething, hateful and angrily vicious person to use such a phrase."
You should seriously consider Tinder, lonely boy.
You apparently lack the necessary awareness to realize that you have made yourself irrelevant, along with your opinions.One reason why no one takes you seriously is because you never properly address what they say. You sidestep the point, then pointlessly preach.
It's only immature and childish to people who have decided they can handle the consequences of their error, without having the slightest clue of the magnitude of what awaits them.Yeah. They start thinking they want to live forever - for the party to never end. Can you think of anything more childish and immature?
If that were true, you'd come follow Jesus.I am more concerned and content with the life and effect I leave behind.
Sounds like you don't have the slightest clue of what eternal life is about or what is entailed in receiving the gift.To go through some genuflect designed to cheat that just to gain some fantasy of eternity is cheap living.
So, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerberg, as well as the people listed here are children, and immature?That's the difference between maturity and grown ups that still harbor children's dreams and fantasies. Mature people are content with the life they have to live. Grown children just pray and cry and plead and whine for more.
Excellent example, thanks Steve!.You apparently lack the necessary awareness to realize that you have made yourself irrelevant, along with your opinions.
According to Romans 1, and psalm 19, he's already given us the wherewithal to know he exists, and in rejecting this provision, we close ourselves off from knowing him.If I were seeking a justifiable excuse, I would first need to believe that this culpability before God was a real thing.
Ah, so you have decided that you alone are god and know everything.As the Bible doesn't comport with my experience, why should I care what it says?
Sounds like you have decided that you alone possess all knowledge and awareness of all reality.The Bible is man's word about a God they believe in.
Sounds like you have decided that you are the only one who has all knowledge and awareness.God is not the one telling me that he didn't fail me nor I him. You are.
I'm sure glad I'm not you. I couldn't handle knowing everything.So the Bible claims. And again that has not been my experience.
That's typically how personal responsibility works. Or are you devoid of culpability for your choices?Again you put the burden and the blame for failure upon me.
Obviously not.I have done what the Bible claims I needed to.
Well, if you don't actually want to know the truth, then this makes perfect sense.The Bible says a lot of things. I have yet to hear a good reason why I should believe them.
You keep telling me that you don't actually want to know, so why would you actually believe him?God obviously hasn't given me a heart to know him.
Oh, I think receiving miraculous healings from gunshot wounds and stage four metastatic melanoma cancer is pretty good evidence.People claim to have experienced a lot of strange and amazing things. Without evidence they are just empty claims.
And if you actually wanted to know the truth you wouldn't continue to argue.No you continually look to find some failure on my part because you can't accept that the Bible may be wrong.
So, you and you alone know the truth.Pray as much as you like. It is still ultimately your own understanding of what the Bible says or what people tell you it says.
Actually, he states hundreds of times-- YHVH says....I don't have YHVH's perspective. I only have Biblical hearsay.
Actually, he wants us to be free to Love him.The excuse given, by Christians, for the problem of evil is that God wanted us to have free will. He didn't want robots.
Terrifying concept, isn't it.Now you are telling me that is exactly what he wants.
Well, the last time I checked, the only way to understand is to read, and do what Jesus said.No, we are invited to follow the words in a particular book.
We still need understanding to do that.
It's been all around you since you were born.Sounds great. Do you have any evidence that this is more than empty claims?
Bingo.Why should I care what Jesus is alleged to have said?
Just more unevidenced biblical claims.
Sounds like you're like the dog chasing its tail.No, you follow your understanding of the words ascribed to some guy's from 1800+ years ago and the understanding of those who follow those words.
I have no idea.Is Jesus going to tell me if I should sell my house or get a new car?
I have no idea? That's between you and him.Is Jesus going to tell me how to dress and what career I should follow?
You're the one pulling all kinds of ad populum out of your derriere.Is that an argument ad populum?
You're not being invited to follow all kinds of beliefs or similar claims.People follow all kind of beliefs. Every religion makes similar claims for what they believe.
Well, you're the one who just spent several hundred words telling me you have no interest whatsoever in actually learning to follow Jesus. So I'm not the one having a problem here.What Is see from you is justification for my not experiencing God's making himself known to me, despite what your bible claims.
Actually, he did, but I know you need to feel justified, so keep telling yourself that.No, Jesus didn't do what the Bible says.
My thoughts on the matter are immaterial. This has always been between you and Jesus. So, if you think continuing to argue that he's a liar, he'll give you exactly what you want.I know you find that idea unacceptable.
I'd say that you failed to receive the form of feedback you wanted.I'm not just claiming that I failed to accomplish anything? I actually failed to receive any feedback from God. He did not make himself known to me.
Nope. Simple questions. I see you're not willing to answer them, and continuing to argue so you may justify yourself. I have to say.... I'm not entirely clear on why you're so afraid, but it's screaming that you are one seriously terrified person.Looking for excuses again Steve?
I'm not the one having a problem with your claim that you believed him.That tells me that you can't accept that I actually believed him because that would show the bible to be wrong.
Actually, it's far more profound than what I have with my wife.So you keep telling me Steve.
I know you believe that your relationship with God is the same as your relationship with your wife but it's not.
Not according to him.Sounds like Jesus was a no show.
See..... perfect example of why you never actually met YHVH.That fraud authored the bible.
What do you base your experience on?Sounds like you still accept experience as the final authority.
I do to.
I am yet to experience God making himself known to me.
That would explain why you refuse to answer my questions.I don't think you are.
I.e., your own preconceptions/bias.I think you anticipate what people are saying and answer that instead from your "Bumper Book of Apologetics".
Sounds like your preconceptions and biases are keeping you from experiencing YHVH.No, based upon what you read in the Bible and what other believers tell you.
you're doing such a bang up job, I thought you'd like to know.Excellent example, thanks Steve!.
I have plenty of clues, from you, as to what awaits me. It is however total nonsense. There is no consequence or error in play here. If there is a God of love, goodness, and righteousness, that god would accept my life as successful.It's only immature and childish to people who have decided they can handle the consequences of their error, without having the slightest clue of the magnitude of what awaits them.
Non-sequiter. Your Jesus saves you from an afterlife in the lake of fire. He has little to say about this life, except to squander it in preparation of his prophesy of the next.... which never came... a failed prophesy by Jesus himself.If that were true, you'd come follow Jesus.
No mature adult that has built up a life of responsibilities and relationships lives on their own terms. That was just a stupid comment that expresses how much understanding of this life, and growth and maturity you have missed out on because you decided to instead focus and play musical chairs with the music of some biblical apocalypse as your background.The fact that you don't is definitive proof that you only want to live on your terms, consequences be dam88d.
I know you don't. I know where you get your ideas from, and I know how untrustworthy and flawed that source of information is.Sounds like you don't have the slightest clue of what eternal life is about or what is entailed in receiving the gift.
Perhaps not. Maturity generates and gives. You just described laziness and entitlement.Perhaps people like me then are the genuinely mature, because I'm content, and satisfied with the goodness given to me by God, through Jesus Christ.
Yeah, people don't believe in gravity claim that it's nonsense too.I have plenty of clues, from you, as to what awaits me. It is however total nonsense.
That's what fools normally claim. So, again, you can argue with it if you wind up choosing to go there. I'm pretty confident that it'll laugh, and then say--- you were warned.There is no consequence or error in play here.
Successful isn't the issue.If there is a God of love, goodness, and righteousness, that god would accept my life as successful.
He honors your choice. So if you don't actually want eternal life, then you will receive exactly what you want.If he wouldn't, then the god you describe is none of the above and is just an ancient Hebrew invented god of war that demands obedience or your nation will fall under the sword sending prophets to scramble to and fro guessing what went wrong in their ignorance.
I agree. When someone who doesn't know, thinks they know, and then makes a mockery of themselves, by refusing to choose life, they are indeed nuts.Pretty nuts stuff really.
Actually, it's entirely important. Dismissing it just endangers your life.Non-sequiter.
That is what he came for.Your Jesus saves you from an afterlife in the lake of fire.
Actually, he talks plenty about this life. Saying that just demonstrates you haven't actually read the gospels, nor the new testament.He has little to say about this life, except to squander it in preparation of his prophesy of the next.... which never came... a failed prophesy by Jesus himself.
My "seat" was reserved June 27th, 1977.Yet here you are, still going round and round playing musical chairs, waiting for the music to stop so you can hopefully cop a seat.
You obviously are.No mature adult that has built up a life of responsibilities and relationships lives on their own terms.
You think that you should be able to earn your seat.That was just a stupid comment that expresses how much understanding of this life, and growth and maturity you have missed out on because you decided to instead focus and play musical chairs with the music of some biblical apocalypse as your background.
Then you have nothing to worry about. Which begs the question of why you're not out enjoying your life on the terms you set for yourself and your family.I know you don't. I know where you get your ideas from, and I know how untrustworthy and flawed that source of information is.
So far, you've yet to be able to actually demonstrate that here.Perhaps not. Maturity generates and gives. You just described laziness and entitlement.
But I believe in gravity, so that was a stupid irrelevant comment.Yeah, people don't believe in gravity claim that it's nonsense too.
I don't argue with that either. What you are trying to do, which further entrenches the failure of your entire belief, is equate something you say I need to believe in first in order to experience (Jesus) with something we experience constantly (gravity) in a feedback loop that does not require belief. It just shows how ignorant the whole process is that you engage in. You can even make analogies that work for it.That sudden deceleration at the bottom explains it pretty concisely. I'll let you argue with that.
I'm laughing now watching you squander this life playing musical chairs with an apocalypse that even Jesus was wrong about.That's what fools normally claim. So, again, you can argue with it if you wind up choosing to go there. I'm pretty confident that it'll laugh, and then say--- you were warned.
Yes it is, because this life is all you know. To your own admission, the heaven you await requires faith and trust in an ancient superstition as well as forcing yourself into a mindset concerning it which is self deceit, not certain knowledge based on any experience outside your own self manipulated mind.Successful isn't the issue.
"For that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God." That is just a lie. Jesus taught us to love each other and "unto the least of these...". Those are direct human instructions for actions that are exalted among men.... so your bible is now in a meltdown of confusion.It's your righteousness with God that counts.
Jesus said that unless we have a righteousness that exceeds mere outward morality, we shall by no means enter the Kingdom of God.
He further stated that unless we are born spiritually, we cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
He stated further still that unless we become as a little child we shall by no means enter the Kingdom of God.
He then asked the question
What would it profit you if you gained the whole world and lose your soul?
So, what you think is success is nothing in God's perspective.
As Jesus said,
Luk 16:14-15 WEB 14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they scoffed at him. 15 He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts. For that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
I wouldn't recommend trying that one. Jesus already dealt with it and it doesn't go well.
Seeing as Jesus himself was wrong about the end-times as well as his purpose, I'll take a pass on any more threats from your mouth about what you think is true or not regarding it until you can show some external evidence, not some manipulated personal mind-state, that what you are saying is relevant in this reality.He honors your choice. So if you don't actually want eternal life, then you will receive exactly what you want.
Eternal death.
When someone deceives themself into thinking an ancient superstition is true and then spends the rest of their life playing musical chairs with some whacky ideal of an apocalypse... that is indeed nuts... even cultish.I agree. When someone who doesn't know, thinks they know, and then makes a mockery of themselves, by refusing to choose life, they are indeed nuts.
Actually, it's not, as evidenced by you having to manipulate your mind to believe it because there is no evidence of it in your life.Actually, it's entirely important. Dismissing it just endangers your life.
That's what he thought he came for. That prophesy failed... miserably. You can't show me any evidence that your belief isn't worthless except to say.... ask Jesus with the open believing mind of a child and you will believe. Totally self fulfilling and nutty way to go about your life.That is what he came for.
He talks about in context with inheriting a kingdom to come.Actually, he talks plenty about this life. Saying that just demonstrates you haven't actually read the gospels, nor the new testament.
No he doesn't. That is a self induced delusion.My "seat" was reserved June 27th, 1977.
He's offering to "reserve a seat" for you too.
He did after all say,
God saves to the uttermost ALL who come to him through Jesus Christ who ever lives to pray for us.
Not in the least. This is how I know that you have squandered your life not understanding or engaging in what it is to be connected to what is real.You obviously are.
They're terms you chose for yourself and your family.
Jesus said it was righteousness. He argues with his dad a lot.... and Paul. Paul admitted to creating his own gospel.You think that you should be able to earn your seat.
YHVH says it's a gift.
You are making all that up to be true in your mind simply because you read it somewhere and decided you wanted to believe it.Nobody has ever been able to earn a home in God's Kingdom.
You can either receive the gift, or exclude yourself from knowing God.
What little time I spend here in comparison to the rest of my enjoyments and interests is enjoyable as well.Then you have nothing to worry about. Which begs the question of why you're not out enjoying your life on the terms you set for yourself and your family.
Seems like you're not as knowledgeable about this as you want others to think you are.
Otherwise you wouldn't be wasting valuable time here.
Better than you've ever demonstrated a need for us to listen to Jesus.So far, you've yet to be able to actually demonstrate that here.
No. It just demonstrates that you don't actually know what you're talking about.But I believe in gravity, so that was a stupid irrelevant comment.
Fine, I'll stick with what has worked for the past 1980 years.I don't argue with that either. What you are trying to do, which further entrenches the failure of your entire belief, is equate something you say I need to believe in first in order to experience (Jesus) with something we experience constantly (gravity) in a feedback loop that does not require belief. It just shows how ignorant the whole process is that you engage in. You can even make analogies that work for it.
I'm not the one playing musical chairs.I'm laughing now watching you squander this life playing musical chairs with an apocalypse that even Jesus was wrong about.
3x Blah.Yes it is, because this life is all you know. To your own admission, the heaven you await requires faith and trust in an ancient superstition as well as forcing yourself into a mindset concerning it which is self deceit, not certain knowledge based on any experience outside your own self manipulated mind.
"For that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God." That is just a lie. Jesus taught us to love each other and "unto the least of these...". Those are direct human instructions for actions that are exalted among men.... so your bible is now in a meltdown of confusion.
I would recommend you get a better playbook for what matters in this life.
Seeing as Jesus himself was wrong about the end-times as well as his purpose, I'll take a pass on any more threats from your mouth about what you think is true or not regarding it until you can show some external evidence, not some manipulated personal mind-state, that what you are saying is relevant in this reality.
When someone deceives themself into thinking an ancient superstition is true and then spends the rest of their life playing musical chairs with some whacky ideal of an apocalypse... that is indeed nuts... even cultish.
Actually, it's not, as evidenced by you having to manipulate your mind to believe it because there is no evidence of it in your life.
That's what he thought he came for. That prophesy failed... miserably. You can't show me any evidence that your belief isn't worthless except to say.... ask Jesus with the open believing mind of a child and you will believe. Totally self fulfilling and nutty way to go about your life.
He talks about in context with inheriting a kingdom to come.
No he doesn't. That is a self induced delusion.
Not in the least. This is how I know that you have squandered your life not understanding or engaging in what it is to be connected to what is real.
Jesus said it was righteousness. He argues with his dad a lot.... and Paul. Paul admitted to creating his own gospel.
You are making all that up to be true in your mind simply because you read it somewhere and decided you wanted to believe it.
What little time I spend here in comparison to the rest of my enjoyments and interests is enjoyable as well.
Better than you've ever demonstrated a need for us to listen to Jesus.
The belief that something can come from nothing is a huge leap of faith.That theism in general and Christianity in particular has not met it's burden of proof is not a matter of faith.
The idea that not believing in a god entails believing that something came from nothing, is erroneous.The belief that something can come from nothing is a huge leap of faith.