Janice Bower
Well-known member
Your signature is true, Bonnie.
Uh huh. Yea. Sure.No one here is against Mormons.
So does yours.Well, your standard works are the Bible (as far as translated correctly according to your Articles of Faith), the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of great Price. But your church teaches members from other books.
Please don't speak for me.What @Aaron32 failed to mention is that ALL the law and the prophets lead to those two commandments. All of them.
My second reply to your above post is this:
Do you show your love to the Mormon Jesus by obedience to his commandments?
Jesus came to save sinners. Paul was one of them. Jesus changed Paul's life.
There Is No One Righteous
(Psalm 14:1–7; Psalm 53:1–6; Isaiah 59:1–17)
9 What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous,
not even one.
11There is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”c
13“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”d
“The venom of vipers is on their lips.”e
14“Their mouths are full
of cursing and bitterness.”f
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery lie in their wake
17and the way of peace they have not known.”g
18“There is no fear of God
before their eyes.”h
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20
Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin.
Unless God gives faith and salvation to a person he continues in sin. His works are as filthy rags.
Janice Bower said:
Jesus came to save sinners. Paul was one of them. Jesus changed Paul's life.
There Is No One Righteous
(Psalm 14:1–7; Psalm 53:1–6; Isaiah 59:1–17)
9 What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous,
not even one.
11There is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”c
13“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”d
“The venom of vipers is on their lips.”e
14“Their mouths are full
of cursing and bitterness.”f
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery lie in their wake
17and the way of peace they have not known.”g
18“There is no fear of God
before their eyes.”h
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20
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Janice Bower said:
Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin.
Janice Bower said:
Romans 3
Unless God gives faith and salvation to a person he continues in sin. His works are as filthy rags.
There is plenty that is "extra-Bibical" in Mormon theology! MORE extra-Biblical than Biblical.There is nothing extra biblical in our theology.
No, the Holy Spirit changed him. Before Jesus came to him outside Damascus, he was "dead in {his} trespasses and sins." He could no more choose himself to be a new creation in Christ Jesus, raised to new "life", than the dead people Jesus raised from the dead chose to have Him raise them up.No. Paul changed his life. Jesus gave him a reason to change it. In the end, it was up to Paul what he'd do. There is no free agency in the religions of our critics. God does everything, we're just along for the ride. It kind of creates a problem for "endure to the end". What have we to endure? God is doing all the work. It doesn't matter what we do.
2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
Jesus called people to believe in Him. Thus whenever anyone believes in Him, he is obeying Him. Saving faith is an act of obedience.
Assurance of salvation is linked to God’s promise to those who believe in Christ, not to ongoing obedience. The expression obedience to the faith does not refer to ongoing obedience to all that God has commanded. No one but the Lord Jesus has done that. If a person thought he had to obey all of God’s commands to go to heaven, then he would know he could never make it. He could never have assurance he was saved. In fact, he could be absolutely sure that he could never be saved!
We are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). Only by God’s grace manifested in the death and resurrection of Christ can anyone be justified before God (Rom 4:1-8).
Obedience to the faith specifically refers to obeying the command to believe the Gospel. If you’ve done that, you can be sure that you’ve exercised the obedience of faith. And, since God desires that all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), whenever anyone trusts in Christ and is saved, God is pleased. That is why evangelism is something which is close to God’s heart.
No, the Holy Spirit changed him. Before Jesus came to him outside Damascus, he was "dead in {his} trespasses and sins." He could no more choose himself to be a new creation in Christ Jesus, raised to new "life", than the dead people Jesus raised from the dead chose to have Him raise them up.
So, WHO made us "alive" with Christ Jesus? (DO note that it is passive tense.) And WHY? Care to give me a straight answer to those questions?
Believing the Gospel message is "obeying" Jesus.
Mixing truth with hundreds of lies as LDS do is not the path God calls Christians to. Therefore we do not follow Joseph Smith.Straw men constructions won't change the testimony of the scriptures:
1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
The fact being--if that is true--then faith alone theology is false.
Exactly what one will find being taught in the LDS church.
Mixing truth with hundreds of lies as LDS do is not the path God calls Christians to. Therefore we do not follow Joseph Smith.
John 10
24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”What do you consider "lies" about the posted scripture?
1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That won't help you either, as it has this format:
1) Sheep hear Him
2) They follow
3) They are given eternal life
I believe you claim one can't follow until AFTER they receive eternal life?
Here is proof that we are not our own workmanship:
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”
We’ve said all along that those who truly believe in Christ try to follow His example by the way they live. But we do it out of love and gratitude. Not to earn anything.John 3:16-21--King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
That connects belief and deeds as integral components to one another.
We’ve said all along that those who truly believe in Christ try to follow His example by the way they live.
But we do it out of love and gratitude. Not to earn anything.
And there’s a huge difference between following what Christ said and obeying Mormon requirements ....