Addressing the OP.
How do one manage a "FREE GIFT?" answer, "RECEIVE IT". that's all.
this is basic bible..... study.Hi 101G,
Pretty sure that's not "addressing the OP."
this is basic bible..... study.
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:13 "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Romans 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many." Romans 5:16 "And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification." Romans 5:17 "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Romans 5:20 "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" Romans 5:21 "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."
understand the free gift now?
PICJAG, 101G.
the FREE GIFT is ETERNAL LIFE. and how to maintain it? ...... it's a GIFT. think ... what do you do with a GIFT? ....... IT'S YOURS. now if you want to speak on WORKS while in salvation. the Lord Jesus has ONE CROWN FIT ALL, there is no bigger crown because person A, baptized 5,000, and you only ONE, no heaven rejoices over the ONE baptizes as much as the 5,000. this is where the White throne judgment comes in at. as said in the vineyard worker we all get the same PAY, no matter we started in the morning, or in the evening, the Pay is the same. but that has nothing to do with ETERNAL SALVATION, only that you we us have it.Oh I understand the free gift, but what that has to do with the opening post I do not know. It sounds to me like you're talking about the gift of salvation, whereas I'm talking about how living forever is maintained.
the FREE GIFT is ETERNAL LIFE. and how to maintain it? ...... it's a GIFT. think ... what do you do with a GIFT? ....... IT'S YOURS. now if you want to speak on WORKS while in salvation. the Lord Jesus has ONE CROWN FIT ALL, there is no bigger crown because person A, baptized 5,000, and you only ONE, no heaven rejoices over the ONE baptizes as much as the 5,000. this is where the White throne judgment comes in at. as said in the vineyard worker we all get the same PAY, no matter we started in the morning, or in the evening, the Pay is the same. but that has nothing to do with ETERNAL SALVATION, only that you we us have it.
now if you're looking for a covenant requirement, go no further than Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
this is good for OT as well as NT Saints.
Hi,Hi 101G,
It's all well and good to say "It's a gift," but that doesn't mean that your position overrules and overturns the biblical texts presented in the opening post. Your current life is a "gift." That doesn't mean that you don't have to eat food in order to sustain your gift and maintain it.
If God ALONE has immortality, then of necessity requires that in order for humans to "live forever" means we attain this externally.
Genesis 3:22-24And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
According to the Scriptures--which you apparently read and refuse to acknowledge--Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden. Why? The Lord God answers: "He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” That seems pretty basic. Humans were not created with immortality built in and it is only the redeemed who will be given access to the tree of life in the new Earth.
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Basically what icy you and others on this thread doing is rejecting the word of God in order to maintain belief in the devil's lie that the dead shall not surely die.
Genesis 2:15-17The Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and watch over it. But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden—except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”Genesis 3:4, 5Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. [? LIE] For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” [? TRUTH]Whom should you believe?
- So the Lord God says don't eat from this tree or "you are sure to die."
- The serpent/devil says eat from this tree and "you will not surely die."
There are two named trees in the Garden:
Of the first one the devil lies about dying but tells the truth about the name of the tree. He says, "you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Later God confirms this truth saying, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!”
- The tree of the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
- The tree of LIFE
Now if the title of the one tree has a direct bearing on its function don't you suppose that the title of the second tree likewise indicates its function (i.e. life). That's precisely what Genesis 3:22-24 bears out. That's the reason given by God for why Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden. If they remained they could eat from the tree of LIFE and "they will LIVE FOREVER."
You and the others on here act like I'm making this stuff up and instead of grappling with these texts you prefer to wander about searching for other texts which you bend to make into contradictions rather than harmonizing them with the main and plain meanings of the texts supplied in the opening post.
I pray this helps.
Hi,
what in the world are u talking about? one does not work to be save, one work because they are SAVED.
yes, we're done, just READ what you are saying.Now I'm just thinking you're trolling . I didn't say anything about work and you're just continuing to ignore the biblical rebuttals to what I'm now guessing is intentional nonsense.
We're done.
eating is a WORK. they didn't die from eating, but disobeying.It's all well and good to say "It's a gift," but that doesn't mean that your position overrules and overturns the biblical texts presented in the opening post. Your current life is a "gift." That doesn't mean that you don't have to eat food in order to sustain your gift and maintain it..
Are you trying to say it the tree of life that gives life?Hi Pitbull,
Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately nothing you wrote directly addresses anything in the opening post. You started off addressing "the word translated immortality" but then didn't do much with it. I'd like to see how this word translated as "immortality" is not properly understood in its relationship to God alone. I wonder if you took a moment to look up the word "alone"? If not then I'll supply it for your consideration:
μόνος (monos)Strong: G3332GK: G3668without accompaniment, alone, Mt. 14:23; 18:15; Lk. 10:40; singly existent, sole, only, Jn. 17:3; lone solitary, Jn. 8:29; 16:32; alone in respect of restriction, only, Mt. 4:4; 12:4; alone in respect of circumstances, only, Lk. 24:18; not multiplied by reproduction, lone, barren, Jn. 12:24
You don't get to dismiss the fact that God ALONE is immortal by appealing to a text which indicates that mortals will "put on immortality." How is this immortality put on? Is it embedded in our very being as it is with God ALONE? Or rather, it it put on by mortals being given access to the "tree of LIFE"? Additionally, the idea that immortality is "put on" should also indicate to you that the Adventist understanding on what happens to the wicked is correct. After all, how are the wicked going to live forever when they have not "put on immortality"?
I pray this helps.
- In your view what is the purpose of the tree of LIFE?
- In your view why did God banish Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:22)?
- In your view what is the connection between eating from the tree of LIFE and living forever (Genesis 3:22)?
- In your view why will the redeemed be given "the right to eat from the tree of LIFE" (Revelation 2:7)?
Are you trying to say it the tree of life that gives life? [No. Obviously Jesus gives life. The Tree of Life sustains life--"forever."]
No one wants to die. No one especially wants to die forever. So what does the Bible say about eternal life? Let's start "in the beginning . . ."
Genesis 3:22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
The title of this tree ? gives away its purpose--LIFE. In the verses above we're informed the reason why God specifically banished "man" from the Garden of Eden: "He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, AND LIVE FOREVER." The purpose for the tree ? then is apparently to provide eternal life!
Considering this fact in relation to the new creation we see that the Tree of Life will be restored to the new Earth. Let's flip to the last book of the Bible:
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
The Bible is clear that only God is innately immortal. Speaking of God Paul writes that He "ALONE is immortal and lives in unapproachable light." No human has this innate immortality, nor will they ever. According to the Bible saved humanity will gain immortality in their being allowed once again to reach out their hands to take from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
A correct understanding of the purpose of the tree of life ? will also unravel the belief that those who are not redeemed will live forever. If it's true that only God is immortal (and it is), and if it's also true that the redeemed maintain eternal life by eating from the tree of life (and it is), then the obvious conclusion is that those who do not have access to the tree of life ? will not live forever.
I pray this helps.
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”The Bible is clear that only God is innately immortal. Speaking of God Paul writes that He "ALONE is immortal and lives in unapproachable light." No human has this innate immortality, nor will they ever.
Merry Christmas!
How often will we have to eat from the tree in order to maintain our eternal life? Adventists believe there are beings on other worlds. Do these beings have to periodically travel to paradise to eat from the tree in order to maintain their eternal life?Hi JonHawk,
This post certainly comes a lot closer to addressing the issue raised in the opening post.
Jesus is our salvation and He gives us eternal life by giving us access to the tree of life ? which when we eat from it we will "live forever." Eternal life is not maintained separate from Christ because He's the One who created the tree of life ?and He's the One who gives us access to it. No one is going to have immortality built in. Only God has that?.
1 Timothy 6:13-1613 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
Are the angels immortal? Not according to what Paul says above .
So instead of trying to create disharmony with what the Bible says, why not choose to harmonize the texts? ?
God bless.
How often will we have to eat from the tree in order to maintain our eternal life? Adventists believe there are beings on other worlds. Do these beings have to periodically travel to paradise to eat from the tree in order to maintain their eternal life?
You have made some pretty big assumptions. I do not believe that anyone other than God "alone is immortal". I do believe that God can grant us eternal life. The New Testament tells us this clearly over thirty times.Some questions for you:
I pray this helps.
- On what basis do you deny the biblical verity that God "alone is immortal"? What other definition for "alone" allows you to conclude that there are others besides God who are also immortal?
- Do you believe that the story about our origins supplied in Genesis 1-3 is symbolic, metaphorical or allegorical? If so, on what basis do you draw this conclusion?
- If you do not believe that Genesis 1-3 is in some form symbolic, why would you not accept that the Tree of Life does what its name implies? Why would you not accept the reason God gave for banishing Adam and Eve from the Garden was so that they would not be able to take "from the tree of life and eat, and live forever"?
- Why is it relevant that the redeemed are given restored access to the Tree of Life?
You have made some pretty big assumptions. I do not believe that anyone other than God "alone is immortal". I do believe that God can grant us eternal life. The New Testament tells us this clearly over thirty times.
I believe in a literal creation week as described in Genesis. I also believe what Jesus says in John 4:14. He says that the water he provides will become in us a well of water springing up to eternal life.
I also believe that what God said in Genesis 2:17 is true. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would die. They did die. They died spiritually. We are all born spiritually dead and that is why we need to be reborn.