To pray to Jesus or not to pray to Jesus?
- Thread starter Fred
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There is no next step...God created all things by Jesus...
Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
That is the OT where the gospel is hidden.
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Jn1
3 All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him (Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him(Jesus) was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him (Jesus) might believe.
8 He (John) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
All things were made by Jesus the Christ because Jesus the Christ is God. He is the voice of God in Genesis chapter one. This is why He is called the Word of God by John.
Jesus Christ is the son of God. God is the father of Jesus. When you say Jesus is God you are calling God and Jesus liars
He is the beginning of the creation of God...
Revelation 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
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He is also called the word of life...and the son of God
1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
and the son of God.
Are you saying Jesus is the son of God and God himself? That would make Jesus his own father.
Bob Carabbio
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My Church (AG) addresses prayers to Jesus. Personally I pray to Father in Jesus' name. Six of One, and Half a dozen of Another.
Within God there is a perfect relationship. For if God was only one person, then God would be lonely and would not be able to be perfect by existing on His own. However, since God is love, He naturally shares this love with others (those within the Godhead).
Since God is one and three person's within God, this allows God to remain perfect before the creation existed. For God can share His love amongst Himself (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
The relationship within God is a perfect relationship. The relationship within God is one of authority (a Father), one of perfect obedience to the Father (a Son), and the essence of God (a Spirit).
If we take one of the persons away from God, then God is no longer a complete and perfect being. It takes all three persons of God to make up the one Perfect God.
In addition to this, Jesus the Christ is not a son that comes into existence. Oh, actually, let me ask you this:
Do you believe the Word of God was born into existence, or did the Word always exist within God?
Jesus said pray to the father therefore your church is being disobedient.
Which is what Jesus said to do.
It cannot be, Six of One, and Half a dozen of Another. because Jesus is not the Father
Where did you get that rubbish?
Why are you making up your own doctrine?
That is another gospel, sir. It is not written in the scripture.
Please show the chapter and verse.
According to Whom? That nonsense cannot be found written anywhere in the scripture.
All sons come into existence from their fathers.
Do you believe sons are born into existence or did sons always exist within their fathers?
Oh, so you do believe the Word of God was born into existence. Very interesting. What does the following passage mean?
"In the beginning was the Word..." (John 1:1a)
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It is obvious you believe the Word of God didn't always exist. So, when do you believe the Word of God came into existence?
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Bob Carabbio
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However they're both GOD, and God is one.
There is no " they're both God" since both infer two Gods. Do you have two Gods that make one God? We have been through this before and you went MIA.
That is your claim but disciples do not disobey Jesus.
And I presented plenty of evidence for my claim which you have been at a loss to refute.
So are you saying that you showed evidence that the disciples disobeyed Jesus?
That is an assertion you have not proven in that they prayed to Jesus.
Bob Carabbio
Well-known member
Chuckle!!! "Word games"