He had a real mother that contributed His Sin free " X " chromosome

[johnny guitar]

Mary didn't give anything to Yeshua Messiah as far as His Body is concerned. I strongly refute Rodney for teaching unscriptural things.

His body was prepared from heaven without contamination of sin. There is no scripture to teach that mothers don't pass on sin to children. Both father and mother pass on sin nature from Adam. In our flesh nothing good dwells. If sin is dwelling in our flesh then there is no way out for anyone to be free from sin except through a Sinless One Who had no problem of sin dwelling in His flesh.

He came in our likeness but not exactness. What made Him mortal was the breath of Adam He took on and not his flesh. Remember He was raised in the same body becoming Life giving Spirit.

What our English translators didn't do rightly was that they didn't translate Hebrew which conveys 'Breath of Lives' that was breathed into Adam's nostrils. Adam would not only pass on his temporal breath as well as body to his descendants. In case of our Saviour, He only took on Adam's breath temporarily and not body which was entirely a supernatural thing.

Gen 2:7 And יהוה Elohim formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives. And the man became a living being. (TS2009)

Heb 2: 5 Therefore, coming into the world, He says, “Slaughtering and meal offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me.

1John 5:
6 This is the One that came by water and blood: יהושע Messiah, not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the Truth.

7 Because there are three who bear witness:

8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement.

The body of Jesus the MAN was conceived IN the womb of Mary by The Holy Spirit.

 

[johnny guitar]

100% WRONG because all women have Sin free Chromosomes in there eggs! Case closed! Yes women have " X X " chromosomes, but only the " X " that they received from their father's sperm has the Sin nature and Not the " X " chromosome from there mother's egg! Males have " X Y " chromosomes and they received the Sin nature from there father's " Y " chromosome sperm and NOT there mother's sin free " X " chromosome egg!

NO sinner has a sin free chromosome.

 

[rod.ney]

The body of Jesus the MAN was conceived IN the womb of Mary by The Holy Spirit.

100% WRONG again! The Holy Spirit ONLY placed the Sin free " Y " Chromosome ( that the Power of the most High - God the Father created ) in one of Mary's eggs! All Womens " X " chromosome eggs are Sin free since Only the Male ( the Head of the Family ) passes on the Sin nature! Case closed!

 

[rod.ney]

NO sinner has a sin free chromosome.

Mary as a Sinner ( like all humans but Jesus the God-Man as per John 1:1+14 ) has Sin nature XX Chromosomes in her FLESH, BUT in her Eggs are All Sin free " X " chromosomes to pass on to her children! God is the Father of only Jesus ( He provided the Sin free " Y " chromosome for a male child )! All Mary's other children ( boys & girls - Jesus' half brothers & sisters ) received their sin nature chromosomes from their father Joseph - Sin nature " Y " for the boys & Sin nature " X " for the girls! Jesus had to have a real BLOOD line from David to have the right to sit on king David's throne! His real blood line comes from His Mother Mary ( Through Nathan the uncursed side - the genology in Luke 3:31)! Joseph was His step father through the cursed side through Solomon's descendant - Jeconiah in Matt.1:11!

 

[johnny guitar]

100% WRONG again! The Holy Spirit ONLY placed the Sin free " Y " Chromosome ( that the Power of the most High - God the Father created ) in one of Mary's eggs! All Womens " X " chromosome eggs are Sin free since Only the Male ( the Head of the Family ) passes on the Sin nature! Case closed!

Stick to the Bible and NOT your biological imagination.
And The Father did NOT conceive ANYTHING.
My Bible says The Holy Spirit conceived, NOT placed.

 

[Anthony]

100% WRONG because all women have Sin free Chromosomes in there eggs! Case closed! Yes women have " X X " chromosomes, but only the " X " that they received from their father's sperm has the Sin nature and Not the " X " chromosome from there mother's egg! Males have " X Y " chromosomes and they received the Sin nature from there father's " Y " chromosome sperm and NOT there mother's sin free " X " chromosome egg!

Absolutely nonsense and demonic doctrine you are teaching:

PS 51: 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

You don't know what you are talking.

 

[Anthony]

100% WRONG because all women have Sin free Chromosomes in there eggs! Case closed! Yes women have " X X " chromosomes, but only the " X " that they received from their father's sperm has the Sin nature and Not the " X " chromosome from there mother's egg! Males have " X Y " chromosomes and they received the Sin nature from there father's " Y " chromosome sperm and NOT there mother's sin free " X " chromosome egg!

NT

 

[rod.ney]

Absolutely nonsense and demonic doctrine you are teaching:

PS 51: 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

You don't know what you are talking.

No, it is clearly your WRONG view that is demonic because Jesus would have received a SIN nature " X & Y " chromosome with your Twisted view! Mary's " X " chromosome egg that was involved in Jesus' human body was Sin free and so was the " Y " chromosome ( that the Power of the Most High - God the Father - created ) that God the Holy Spirit placed in that Sin free egg when He came upon the Virgen Mary as so stated in Luke 1:34-35! Therefore Jesus had NO Sin Nature in His human DNA! Case closed!

 

[johnny guitar]

No, it is clearly your WRONG view that is demonic because Jesus would have received a SIN nature " X & Y " chromosome with your Twisted view! Mary's " X " chromosome egg that was involved in Jesus' human body was Sin free and so was the " Y " chromosome ( that the Power of the Most High - God the Father - created ) that God the Holy Spirit placed in that Sin free egg when He came upon the Virgen Mary as so stated in Luke 1:34-35! Therefore Jesus had NO Sin Nature in His human DNA! Case closed!

The Father did NOT create any chromosome.
The Holy Spirit placed NOTHING in Mary.

 

[rod.ney]

The Father did NOT create any chromosome.
The Holy Spirit placed NOTHING in Mary.

Then your Twisted view has it that Jesus was NOT fully human as a man! FYI, He is both fully human as a man as well as fully God the Word of John 1:1! In other words He is God-Man as per John 1:1+14! Case closed as a fully human man has the " XY " chromosomes and a fully human woman has the " XX " Chromosomes!

 

[johnny guitar]

Then your Twisted view has it that Jesus was NOT fully human as a man! FYI, He is both fully human as a man as well as fully God the Word of John 1:1! In other words He is God-Man as per John 1:1+14! Case closed as a fully human man has the " XY " chromosomes and a fully human woman has the " XX " Chromosomes!

I'm concerned with The Bible, NOT biology.

 

[rod.ney]

I'm concerned with The Bible, NOT biology.

FYI the Bible does NOT contradict the Facts that Men have " XY " chromosomes in their DNA and Women have " XX " Chromosomes in their DNA! Thus Jesus being fully human as a man ( as the Bible tells us so - as well as fully God the Word of John 1:1 ) has " XY " chromosomes in His DNA when He became FLESH in John 1:14! So yes indeed God provided the needed " Y " chromosome for Jesus to be a male human, since no male human had sex with Mary to provide their sin nature "Y" chromosome for a male child! Facts are Facts ! Case closed!

 

[johnny guitar]

FYI the Bible does NOT contradict the Facts that Men have " XY " chromosomes in their DNA and Women have " XX " Chromosomes in their DNA! Thus Jesus being fully human as a man ( as the Bible tells us so - as well as fully God the Word of John 1:1 ) has " XY " chromosomes in His DNA when He became FLESH in John 1:14! So yes indeed God provided the needed " Y " chromosome for Jesus to be a male human, since no male human had sex with Mary to provide their sin nature "Y" chromosome for a male child! Facts are Facts ! Case closed!

If God provided the needed y chromosome it was by The Holy Spirit and NOT The Father.
Case closed.

 

[Anthony]

No, it is clearly your WRONG view that is demonic because Jesus would have received a SIN nature " X & Y " chromosome with your Twisted view! Mary's " X " chromosome egg that was involved in Jesus' human body was Sin free and so was the " Y " chromosome ( that the Power of the Most High - God the Father - created ) that God the Holy Spirit placed in that Sin free egg when He came upon the Virgen Mary as so stated in Luke 1:34-35! Therefore Jesus had NO Sin Nature in His human DNA! Case closed!

For you the Bible is wrong and you are right. May Yeshua Messiah rebuke you for teaching lies. Everyone will see your lies about Chromosomes for Meddiah which is not in scriptures. Your doctrine is demonic and nothing is to be accepted from you. You make Messiah a created being.

Guys, be careful about Rodney's false created body of Messiah that came from Mary.

If anyone believes in such nonsense you will be dead in your sins. Scriptures testify that Messiah's Body was prepared from heaven and is not from the dust like Adam. He didn't have a corruptible body like Adam. Scripture says as in PS 51:5 that David confessed that his mother conceived him in sin. It shows that woman passed on sin to her children unlike Yeshua Messiah Who had nothing to do with Mary's ovum or chromosomes. Had He body from Mary, He would have been sinful and unqualified to be our Savior which would have been impossible scripturally.

His Body is supernaturally conceived in Mary's womb as The Spirit testifies:

1John 5:
7 For there are three who testify:

8 the Ruach, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one.

9 If we accept human testimony, the witness of God is greater; for this is God’s testimony that he has testified concerning his Son.

The Spirit, Water and Blood agree in one as He is the Child of the Holy Spirit and not from Mary.

It matches the OT scriptures like Exod 15:3

3 “יהוה is a man of battle, יהוה is His Name.

Yet in Numbers it says God is not a Man:

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God is a Man but not from sinful humans. This is the distinction we have to maintain.

The Messiah came in the Likeness of sinful flesh but not in Exactness For it was impossible for Him to sin.

He couldn't say Eat My Body and drink My blood if He had body parts from Mary. Though it's not literal eating and drinking His Body and Blood - He was speaking of The Spirit. Eat and drink of The Spirit that brought Him forth.

Man's doctrine is rubbish as he is not able to understand The Spirit behind the scriptures and he reads only on surface level.

 

[Anthony]

The Father did NOT create any chromosome.
The Holy Spirit placed NOTHING in Mary.

If you hold on to the testimony of The Holy Spirit that Yeshua Messiah's Body wasn't created as other humans of dust, you may not be far from the kingdom of God. His Body was God's and that's how He could say I'm the living Bread that came down from heaven.

 

[Anthony]

If God provided the needed y chromosome it was by The Holy Spirit and NOT The Father.
Case closed.

Chromosomes were not needed from Mary - His birth was supernatural. Rodney is speaking of a creature like all human beings are. But he brings out half chromosomes and that from Mary. He wants to make His birth half miraculous which is demonic and can't save anyone.

 

[rod.ney]

For you the Bible is wrong and you are right. May Yeshua Messiah rebuke you for teaching lies. Everyone will see your lies about Chromosomes for Meddiah which is not in scriptures. Your doctrine is demonic and nothing is to be accepted from you. You make Messiah a created being.

Guys, be careful about Rodney's false created body of Messiah that came from Mary.

If anyone believes in such nonsense you will be dead in your sins. Scriptures testify that Messiah's Body was prepared from heaven and is not from the dust like Adam. He didn't have a corruptible body like Adam. Scripture says as in PS 51:5 that David confessed that his mother conceived him in sin. It shows that woman passed on sin to her children unlike Yeshua Messiah Who had nothing to do with Mary's ovum or chromosomes. Had He body from Mary, He would have been sinful and unqualified to be our Savior which would have been impossible scripturally.

His Body is supernaturally conceived in Mary's womb as The Spirit testifies:

1John 5:
7 For there are three who testify:

8 the Ruach, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one.

9 If we accept human testimony, the witness of God is greater; for this is God’s testimony that he has testified concerning his Son.

The Spirit, Water and Blood agree in one as He is the Child of the Holy Spirit and not from Mary.

It matches the OT scriptures like Exod 15:3

3 “יהוה is a man of battle, יהוה is His Name.

Yet in Numbers it says God is not a Man:

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God is a Man but not from sinful humans. This is the distinction we have to maintain.

The Messiah came in the Likeness of sinful flesh but not in Exactness For it was impossible for Him to sin.

He couldn't say Eat My Body and drink My blood if He had body parts from Mary. Though it's not literal eating and drinking His Body and Blood - He was speaking of The Spirit. Eat and drink of The Spirit that brought Him forth.

Man's doctrine is rubbish as he is not able to understand The Spirit behind the scriptures and he reads only on surface level.

FYI again, according to GOD's say so ( Not my say so ) in John 1:1+14, God the Word BECAME FLESH in John 1:14, as the God-Man called Jesus Christ! Thus He will CLEARLY rebuke your Twisted view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of His scriptures that I correctly posted as per 2 Tim 3:16 to rebuke you with! God the Word became God-Man as per John 1:1+14! FYI the one GOD of scriptures consist of 3 Divine Persons ( FSHS ) as per Matt.28:19 in conjunction with 1 John 5:7 ---------------

1 John 5:7​

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7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. ------------------------

Matthew 28:19​

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19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, -------------------------------- Thus the Bible is RIGHT and you are WRONG! Case closed!

 

[Anthony]

FYI again, according to GOD's say so ( Not my say so ) in John 1:1+14, God the Word BECAME FLESH in John 1:14, as the God-Man called Jesus Christ! Thus He will CLEARLY rebuke your Twisted view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of His scriptures that I correctly posted as per 2 Tim 3:16 to rebuke you with! God the Word became God-Man as per John 1:1+14! FYI the one GOD of scriptures consist of 3 Divine Persons ( FSHS ) as per Matt.28:19 in conjunction with 1 John 5:7 ---------------

1 John 5:7​

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7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. ------------------------

Matthew 28:19​

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19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, -------------------------------- Thus the Bible is RIGHT and you are WRONG! Case closed!

See, you don't know the scriptures. Yeshua Messiah came in flesh doesn't mean He got His flesh from Mary. There is no Godman in scripture.

Exod 15:3 **“יהוה is a man** of battle, יהוה is His Name.

YHWH is a Man.....

Is He a Godman?

There are lots of things you have to learn.

Adam was created in the image of God in the form of a Man (Yeshua Messiah):

Rom 5:14 But death reigned from Aḏam until Mosheh, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Aḏam, who is a type/image of Him who was to come.

Adam is the figure/type/image of the one Who was to come. We know the One Who came is Yeshua Messiah.

Adam was created in the image and likeness of God as a Man. It wasn't God as a Man made in the image and likeness of Adam.

Therefore, Yeshua Messiah didn't take upon Himself the sinful flesh of Adam.

He was already God as a Man in heaven's - Firstborn over all creation. He took upon Himself mortality for a while. However, the Body/Tabernacle of flesh was prepared for Him from heaven because earthly Adam's flesh is corrupted - whether male or female. Nothing good dwells in our flesh. Your argument that the woman doesn't pass on sin to the child doesn't hold water.

There is no doctrine teaching a Godman. Yeshua couldn't be separated from His flesh as He is God as a Man. He offered His whole being as the sin offering.

Why He was placed in the womb of Mary is to fulfill YHWH's promise to Abraham.

Christianity doesn't teach correct doctrines. It teaches more tradition than the truth. The doctrine of immaculate conception is from Roman Catholic Church and is not based on scriptures. The Protestantism has taken with them this baggage.

 

[rod.ney]

See, you don't know the scriptures. Yeshua Messiah came in flesh doesn't mean He got His flesh from Mary. There is no Godman in scripture.

Exod 15:3 **“יהוה is a man** of battle, יהוה is His Name.

YHWH is a Man.....

Is He a Godman?

There are lots of things you have to learn.

Adam was created in the image of God in the form of a Man (Yeshua Messiah):

Rom 5:14 But death reigned from Aḏam until Mosheh, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Aḏam, who is a type/image of Him who was to come.

Adam is the figure/type/image of the one Who was to come. We know the One Who came is Yeshua Messiah.

Adam was created in the image and likeness of God as a Man. It wasn't God as a Man made in the image and likeness of Adam.

Therefore, Yeshua Messiah didn't take upon Himself the sinful flesh of Adam.

He was already God as a Man in heaven's - Firstborn over all creation. He took upon Himself mortality for a while. However, the Body/Tabernacle of flesh was prepared for Him from heaven because earthly Adam's flesh is corrupted - whether male or female. Nothing good dwells in our flesh. Your argument that the woman doesn't pass on sin to the child doesn't hold water.

There is no doctrine teaching a Godman. Yeshua couldn't be separated from His flesh as He is God as a Man. He offered His whole being as the sin offering.

Why He was placed in the womb of Mary is to fulfill YHWH's promise to Abraham.

Christianity doesn't teach correct doctrines. It teaches more tradition than the truth. The doctrine of immaculate conception is from Roman Catholic Church and is not based on scriptures. The Protestantism has taken with them this baggage.

100% WRONG again! Jesus is in FACT fully human as a Man ( the Flesh of John 1:14 )! He was fully God the Word in the beginning in John 1:1 because it CLEARLY states " the Word WAS God " and " Was with God " ( the Father & Holy Spirit )! Thus since God can NEVER cease to still be God, God the Word of John 1:1 BECAME " Flesh " as the God-Man then called Jesus Christ in John 1:14! So again, the ONE GOD of the scriptures is in FACT a TRINITY ( Father, Word/Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit ) as per 1 John 5:7 in conjunction with Matt.28:19 ( FSHS ) and the 2nd Divine Person of the Trinity, called the Word in John 1:1 became God-Man in John 1:14! So FYI again, that is the scriptures say so ( God's word ) and NOT my say so! So here they are again for all to read & heed! ---------------------------

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. ----------------------------------------

1 John 5:7​

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7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ----------------------------

Matthew 28:19​

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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( singular - ONE GOD - TRINITY ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ---------------------------------------------------------- Case closed! He got His FLESH from God ( the "Y " chromosome that the Power of the MOST HIGH created ) & Mary ( her " X " chromosome egg that the Holy Spirit planted that created " Y " chromosome in when He came upon her ) as per GOD's say so in Luke 1:31-35 ! Here are those scriptures ----------------------------

Luke 1:31-35​

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31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High ( God the Father ) will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

-------------------------- Now quit telling us that Jesus is NOT Both fully God the Word of John 1:1 and fully human like us ( His creation ) - the FLESH of John 1:14! Case closed!
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[Anthony]

100% WRONG again! Jesus is in FACT fully human as a Man ( the Flesh of John 1:14 )! He was fully God the Word in the beginning in John 1:1 because it CLEARLY states " the Word WAS God " and " Was with God " ( the Father & Holy Spirit )! Thus since God can NEVER cease to still be God, God the Word of John 1:1 BECAME " Flesh " as the God-Man then called Jesus Christ in John 1:14! So again, the ONE GOD of the scriptures is in FACT a TRINITY ( Father, Word/Son, & Holy Ghost/Spirit ) as per 1 John 5:7 in conjunction with Matt.28:19 ( FSHS ) and the 2nd Divine Person of the Trinity, called the Word in John 1:1 became God-Man in John 1:14! So FYI again, that is the scriptures say so ( God's word ) and NOT my say so! So here they are again for all to read & heed! ---------------------------

The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. ----------------------------------------

1 John 5:7​

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7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ----------------------------

Matthew 28:19​

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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ( singular - ONE GOD - TRINITY ) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ---------------------------------------------------------- Case closed! He got His FLESH from God ( the "Y " chromosome that the Power of the MOST HIGH created ) & Mary ( her " X " chromosome egg that the Holy Spirit planted that created " Y " chromosome in when He came upon her ) as per GOD's say so in Luke 1:31-35 ! Here are those scriptures ----------------------------

Luke 1:31-35​

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31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High ( God the Father ) will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

-------------------------- Now quit telling us that Jesus is NOT Both fully God the Word of John 1:1 and fully human like us ( His creation ) - the FLESH of John 1:14! Case closed!
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Rodney, I will put an end to your argument once for all.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The Earth was without form and void. God created this natural earth in vanity for bringing about new earth and heavens.

From the same earth Adam was formed. Yeshua Messiah couldn't be of this earth subjected to vanity.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Adam wasn't created perfect but wanting a better things from the Creator. That's why he sinned.

Many times Yeshua said that He came down from heaven. He wasn't from this world but from above.

Try to learn from people who lead you in right direction of scriptures. Don't be too arrogant and adamant in things you didn't know or understand. Don't add your own chromosome theory to Yeshua Messiah. His birth was supernatural that can't be imagined by mere humans like us. His Body was prepared from heaven and wasn't part of the dust of the earth that Mary had

I have to end tobthis debate once for all because it's not wise to tell same things again and again. The Seed of God's word has been sown in you and it's all God's will how you want bring forth fruit.