Thistle
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Marriage did not have a definition before the events described in scripture took place.
The problem with the American elite
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Thistle
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You suppose that the God who created the universe can't communicate to mankind a coherent statement of his specific revelation? Logically speaking that would require a pretty astonishing constellation of abilities and countervailing disabilities, wouldn't you say?
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Eightcrackers
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Not if he doesn't exist, he can't.
Thistle
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BORDE-GUTH-VALENKIN SINGULARITY THEOREM (BGV THEOREM) “Any universe which has, on average, been expanding throughout its history CANNOT be eternal in the past, but MUST have an absolute beginning.”
Anything that begins to exist has a cause
The universe began to exist
∴ The universe has a Cause
We can go through all of the steps of what has to be true of the uncaused first Cause, but it saves a lot of time just point out that you end up with a exact description of the God of the Bible.
And? What practical application does that belief have in a secular country of nonbelievers and believers with different beliefs?
Thistle
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"Belief" is a pretty ambiguous word in this context; everything else follows from it. Happily we don't have to leave it at that because our founding documents specify the civic axioms on which this discussion must take place. "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men were created." Dilemma resolved!
If you said that the country is not a theocracy I agree with you.
Except in the realm of public policy the civic axiom is "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men were created."
Gondwanaland
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And how, precisely, with the Respect for Marriage Act destroy the country?
Gondwanaland
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And how does it destroy the first amendment?
Gondwanaland
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the events described in scripture didn't take place, so....
Gondwanaland
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If he can, he sure as hell hasn't attempted to do so.
DeSanto
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Right! And as long as we keep towing those party lines, nothing will change. The America first “element” of the Republican Party has been hijacked and is now controlled by FAKE MAGA infiltrators. That’s how elitist work.
The true America First movement is NOT… I repeat NOT… beholden to the Republican Party.
Wishful thinking, imo. That ship has sailed. It will take Divine intervention to redirect course at this point. And rightly so, as this is first and foremost, a spiritual battle. So, put on your spiritual armor and lay down your attachments to this world.
Political party’s don’t go to heaven.
Thistle
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It destroys the first amendment which fundamentally changes the character of the republic to a totalitarian empire.
Thistle
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If you insist that marriage is what it actually is, then you could be subject to criminal sanction depending on the circumstances. The free exercise clause says that the government cannot stand between a man and his conscience before God. That would be precisely the effect of this legislation.
Thistle
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Which you know by what means?
Right, you'll be on your knees in front of Him....speechless.
Thistle
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"And God spake all these words, saying," - Exodus 20:1 KJV
"And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These [are] the words which the LORD hath commanded, that [ye] should do them." - Exodus 35:1 KJV
Jesus said to the apostles who superintended the writing of the New Testament…
"But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." - John 14:26 KJV
The gospels contains the teaching of Jesus Christ who is God in the second person of the trinity but Luke sets the tone for the rest of the New Testament when he says…
"The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:" - Acts 1:1-2 KJV
This makes it clear that the rest of the New Testament is still the teaching of Jesus.
So you're going to dictate your interpretation of the Bible based on your understanding of other disciplines and imposing that on American citizens through policy, in violation of the first amendment? There's no dispute that, that is what you're doing. The dispute is whether or not it's legal under the Bill of Rights.
Every application. Every. single. thing.
Gondwanaland
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That's not an answer. be detailed - how does it destroy the first amendment? And how is it 'totalitarian'?
Gondwanaland
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Assertion without evidence.
No, it would not. Indeed there are specific carveouts for the religious who are bigoted against gay people.
What does that even mean? You think people are bigoted because they disagree with homosexuality?