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Paul was instrumental in the Corinthians born again experienceMaybe you are his spiritual father now
He preached the word
The Corinthians believed
and were born again
Paul was instrumental in the Corinthians born again experienceMaybe you are his spiritual father now
You have a couple of problemsThank you for admitting the trickery involved by anti-Calvinists.
You have spoken more than once about engaging in "Frankenstein-ism", combining a person's beliefs with something they don't believe, and creating a "Frankenstein" variant straw-man that nobody believes.
You are doing PRECISELY that.
You are ASSUMING that "regeneration" is the same as "eternal life", and projecting that onto our beliefs, to falsely CREATE an error that doesn't otherwise exist. You have created a "Frankenstein" monster that doesn't exist and that nobody believes.
Please provide a BIBLICAL CITATION which states, "regeneration is identical to eternal life", or "born-again is identical to eternal life". If not, then stop misrepresenting Calvinists.
It is the only way Calvinism survivesWhy do they teach it in one thread then deny it in another?
Of course part of it is that they say regeneration is before faith, as if regneration does not mean new life
He has to invent multiple occasions for life.
So you believe the logical sequence is: first there is regeneration, then afterwards faith, then afterwards eternal life?
Lets seeAnd what’s really bad is, by him teaching such as truth, it’s claiming this is what God has said. He should keep the third commandment in mind.
More evidence your theology is not founded on the bibleIt’s salvation by works, as plain as the nose on your face.
Lets seeWith a side of choice meats (conditional election) thrown in.
That appears to be somewhat confusedExactly Carbon, it always perplexes me that fallen mankind thinks that have something to offer God! That they possess some power of their own to cooperate with God in their Salvation. Our Salvation has always been Monergistic; God doing what we could not, this is the good news for the ungodly!
4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
You have a problem here interpreting scripture according to contextHe who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 1 John 5:12.
It is impossible for man to engage in any saving good unless there is a living bond between them and Him who declared:
Apart from Me you can do nothing. John 15:5.
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:9.
This goodness that some people claim by faith of the natural man is unbiblical and nonsense.
It is the mystical union through regeneration, which gives the gift of faith, and maintains faith, hope and love. it is out of the fullness of Christ that we even receive grace for grace.
For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. John 1:16.
Let us clarify terms, because they seem to be handled without care. Let us get more specific.Thank you for admitting the trickery involved by anti-Calvinists.
You have spoken more than once about engaging in "Frankenstein-ism", combining a person's beliefs with something they don't believe, and creating a "Frankenstein" variant straw-man that nobody believes.
You are doing PRECISELY that.
You are ASSUMING that "regeneration" is the same as "eternal life", and projecting that onto our beliefs, to falsely CREATE an error that doesn't otherwise exist. You have created a "Frankenstein" monster that doesn't exist and that nobody believes.
Please provide a BIBLICAL CITATION which states, "regeneration is identical to eternal life", or "born-again is identical to eternal life". If not, then stop misrepresenting Calvinists.
False.
Again.
Here is what he wrote:
"The way I see it, we do need the Holy Spirit to produce faith, but if you had regeneration before faith, you wouldn't need faith to be regenerated, faith would be unrelated to regeneration, and it would have nothing do with actually becoming saved. Surely we can see that faith is connected to becoming saved, so the only conclusion is that faith is instrumental towards and not a product of regeneration."
And you can't get that from John 20:31.
Sorry.
Tom I do not like debating with you. But I'll indulge you this one time. So is Faith the root of our Salvation?That appears to be somewhat confused
God saves He does that all by himself
Man believes that is what God asks him to do. God does not do it for him
Salvation is God's doing
Faith man's responsibility
you confound the two as one
faith is not expressed Biblically as the root of salvation as if salvation grows from faith.Tom I do not like debating with you. But I'll indulge you this one time. So is Faith the root of our Salvation?
Where did i state any such thing ?Tom I do not like debating with you. But I'll indulge you this one time. So is Faith the root of our Salvation?
Exactly Carbon, it always perplexes me that fallen mankind thinks that have something to offer God!
That is the conundrum Calvinism facesMaybe it's because you forgot you believe that God as first caused of all effects unconditionally meticulously predetermined ie gifted them to think that way? That is it's really not of their own works but God's?
It's not perplexing, right?
There are no conditions given here. This verse is descriptive not prescriptive, Understand the difference?Lets see
Ephesians 1:4 (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In him that is in Christ
That is a condition
Seems having a biblical argument is replaced with mocking
That seems to be a typical pattern
I'm wondering whether many Calvinists really believe some sort of molinism/neo-molinism and don't know it.That is the conundrum Calvinism faces
They want to claim that God determines all but then they want to deny that God determines that which is inconvenient for their theology
In Christ is a conditionThere are no conditions given here. This verse is descriptive not prescriptive, Understand the difference?
Where does the bible say faith is a " trigger " that God responds to ? ???faith is not expressed Biblically as the root of salvation as if salvation grows from faith.
Faith is the trigger that God responds to and gives salvation.