Greetings again johnny guitar and shnarkle and Greetings Yahchristian,
John 12:27-28 (KJV): 27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Kind regards
Trevor
The conception of the man Jesus was by God the Father by means of his power, the Holy Spirit. He addresses the One God, Yahweh, God the Father as "O Father" in Matthew 11:25The conception of The MAN Jesus was by The Holy Spirit, NOT The Father.
"Eternally begotten" are contradictory terms and this is invented by Trinitarians to explain the term "begotten" in John 1:14 and John 3:16.The Son is begotten of The Father, NOT conceived by or born of The Father.
Yes, johnny guitar believes that Jesus is the son of God the Holy Spirit and he reserves the term The Son of God for an equivalent of God the Son. He does not believe that the human Jesus is the Son of God, or the Son of God the Father.Is the Holy Spirit the father of the MAN Jesus?
*Notice I used a lower case f in father.
Jesus was a complete person and his spirit was his breath and consciousness which do not transmit consciousness after death as man is mortal and returns to the dust. Jesus awoke from the sleep of death after three days when God raised him from the dead.This would be the case with the flesh. With the Spirit, God is the eternal father. God does not become a father in time.
Is this saying that Jesus was not begotten as God the Son as one process back in eternity? But that the begetting is a continuous process where God the Father has not fully received the product of the begetting process? Either way it is a distortion of ideas.The process of begetting is eternal.
Whatever this really means !!! How do you read and understand:While it may not be something that most readers might see, the father is impotent to do what only the son can accomplish. The father can only glorify the son while the son can only glorify the father. This son IS the glory of the father. Without the Son, the Father cannot be glorified.
John 12:27-28 (KJV): 27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Matthew 1:20-21 (KJV): 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived (mg Gk: begotten) in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.Conceived is used in reference to men; Begotten to God.
Kind regards
Trevor
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