Census: Less than half of England and Wales population identifies as Christian

wiseones2cents said:
There you have it boys. This is the direction Liberal England wants to take America. Destroy religion and make it a secular /atheist state,...
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The U.S.A. is ALREADY a "SECULAR" governmental system, forbidden by the Constitutionand from making religious based laws.

"Athiests" are really just another "subset" of common "Agnostics", who have always been the majority.
 
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Eightcrackers said:
They didn't; the USSC ruled that it was never a federal right in the first place.

And abortions are not illegal everywhere in the US.
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Yup - back in MY generation in Massachusetts (40s), which was HEAVILY Roman Catholic, if the medical choice was between the baby or the mother, they'd save the baby and let the mother die. If a gal in MA got pregnant, and didn't want it, she'd simply "visit friends" in Connecticut for a couple of days. Problem solved.

Personally, I'm positive that the "Supreme Court" finally got it RIGHT this time. But I never saw them float a "Test balloon" before announcing a decision before - They're supposed to be "Above" politics (Wink, Wink, Say n'more!!)
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Yup - back in MY generation in Massachusetts (40s), which was HEAVILY Roman Catholic, if the medical choice was between the baby or the mother, they'd save the baby and let the mother die. If a gal in MA got pregnant, and didn't want it, she'd simply "visit friends" in Connecticut for a couple of days. Problem solved.
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Always interesting hearing the old days from someone who was there. My wife's pregnancies were dangerous, I would have choked the doctor out if he tried that. Save the mother.
Bob Carabbio said:
Personally, I'm positive that the "Supreme Court" finally got it RIGHT this time. But I never saw them float a "Test balloon" before announcing a decision before - They're supposed to be "Above" politics (Wink, Wink, Say n'more!!)
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Agreed. The balloon was interesting. It was like retardant against the red wave.
 
Lastdaysbeliever said:
Legislation is not always passed by a vote. Sometimes it is done by EO and other means.

Not every one.

I do.

And that matters in this discussion how?

We have abortion so there is that...

We see the woke culture, liberals and democrats aggrieved daily because some of us choose life.

I have my opinion why "many people" find Christian values as offensive and even dangerous, which is and of itself offensive and dangerous.

Abridgement of thought is what is pursued by those who you write of. Thought police. It's truly authoritarianism in ascent.
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No one stops you thinking, no matter how horrific your thi. Laws proscribe actions, usually because they are harmful. You do not have the right to ignore such laws and cause harm just because you think you have a religious right to do so.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Again your opinion. How convenient for you to deny history. Do you deny all the wars your country has waged to stomp out uprisings worldwide during it's empirical days?
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I have already acknowledged our imperial and colonial past. You have not acknowledged the tense. It is PAST, history. You are looking at today with the lens of yesterday, the classic error of historians and armchair generals alike. Historical inertia allows the UK to punch above it's weight, for a short while longer, but now we have Brexit, the UK is less important on the world stage than Belgium or Poland. And frankly, that's a good thing.
 
Eightcrackers said:
They didn't; the USSC ruled that it was never a federal right in the first place.

And abortions are not illegal everywhere in the US.
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But they are illegal in some States, thanks to the elected official I'm assuming, and if all elected officials were Christians I guess they could ban abortion in every state. No?
 
wiseones2cents said:
So if we make a law banning homosexuality, you'd support it correct?
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No, I'd campaign against it, and quite possibly I would leave a country that had become unrecognisable. But we both know that won't happen. Brits are no angels, but fundamentally they are decent, and no such law has the remotest possibility of being passed.
 
wiseones2cents said:
So if a lets say Christian was voted in. He could ban homosexuality?

There is nothing democratic about your elections. Its all smoke and mirrors.
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If that was on his (or her) manifesto. Won't happen though. Our system ensures that such matters of conscience as homosexuality, abortion or capital punishment, are decided by a free vote. There's no chance of any such vote padding. Nor would anyone commit political suicide by calli it.

We do elect Christians, but not because they are Christian. Any politician standing on a ticket of "vote for me, I'm a Christian," would be annihilated. Religion is a private matter.
 
Temujin said:
No one stops you thinking, no matter how horrific your thi. Laws proscribe actions, usually because they are harmful. You do not have the right to ignore such laws and cause harm just because you think you have a religious right to do so.
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UNLESS, of course, the Secular law runs contrary to a Biblical law/principle. You MAY be subject to "Man's Judgement", but God's approval is infinitely more important.

When I was younger, Christians generally were generally perceived as GOOD/exemplary.

Later, we became foolish/delusional/unrealistic,

In the foreseeable future, We'll be seen as DANGEROUS to the Country. Then the excitement will start -
 
Bob Carabbio said:
UNLESS, of course, the Secular law runs contrary to a Biblical law/principle. You MAY be subject to "Man's Judgement", but God's approval is infinitely more important.

When I was younger, Christians generally were generally perceived as GOOD/exemplary.

Later, we became foolish/delusional/unrealistic,

In the foreseeable future, We'll be seen as DANGEROUS to the Country. Then the excitement will start -
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Unlikely. Other countries are further down the line than you are. You were dangerous to start with. You eventually become irrelevant. If you are lucky, you avoid embarrassing laughing stock. Aim for nostalgic national treasure and tourist attraction. That's the best you can hope for. The Amish lead the way.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
The U.S.A. is ALREADY a "SECULAR" governmental system, forbidden by the Constitutionand from making religious based laws.
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Really show me where? I know the first Amendment protects religious freedoms. Which are now be trampled on by the left. Even the threat of taking away Churches non tax exemption for involvement in Political issues is ILLEGAL!
Bob Carabbio said:
"Athiests" are really just another "subset" of common "Agnostics", who have always been the majority.
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Atheism is closer to paganism and not agnosticism, and agnostics have NEVER been the majority( at least in modern America). Your talking nonsense.
 
Temujin said:
If that was on his (or her) manifesto. Won't happen though. Our system ensures that such matters of conscience as homosexuality, abortion or capital punishment, are decided by a free vote. There's no chance of any such vote padding. Nor would anyone commit political suicide by calli it.
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Temujin said:
We do elect Christians, but not because they are Christian. Any politician standing on a ticket of "vote for me, I'm a Christian," would be annihilated. Religion is a private matter.
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So your saying your country is far too corrupted(liberalized) to go back to Christian values? :)
 
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Temujin said:
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No need for money to change hands. Tithes and televangelist conmen are not part of my culture.
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Tithes are OLD Testament, and part of Israel's governmental requirements.

Which, of course has absolutely NOTHING to do with the U.S.A. moving "FORWARD" on its death spiral.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Tithes are OLD Testament, and part of Israel's governmental requirements.

Which, of course has absolutely NOTHING to do with the U.S.A. moving "FORWARD" on its death spiral.
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You move forward, you regress or you stagnate. Those are your options.
 
Temujin said:
No one stops you thinking, no matter how horrific your thi.
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Get ready. I'm going to say some things that you may find offensive;

I believe homosexuality is a sin. I believe there is no such thing as "trans" and is an afront to God's purposeful design for mankind. I believe bisexuality is a sin. I believe lying is a sin. As is theft. Murder. Adultery. Fornication. Rioting. Watching porn. Lusting after your neighbor's wife. Having sex with a minor. etc. And since I believe these things to be a sin I will express my belief, openly and without apology. So, given these examples, are my thoughts horrific? Have I been harmful to anyone? Has my expressed opinion caused demonstrable harm to anyone? Have I harmed you? And if not, why should I be restrained by laws, special rights, to express them?
Temujin said:
Laws proscribe actions, usually because they are harmful.
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In some circumstances, yes, but that type of blanket statement does not reflect all laws. I have noted you tend to do this in your claims. Paint with a broad brush to strengthen your argument. Just as an observation. No disrespect meant.
Temujin said:
You do not have the right to ignore such laws and cause harm just because you think you have a religious right to do so.
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And by this you mean what exactly? My religious belief to think and to do as I believe is not equal to that of an irreligious persons? Because I follow my faith I am being harmful?
 
Temujin said:
Far too civilised and mature as a culture. As you say yourself, reapplying Christian values would be "going back". I want my culture to go forward.
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Civilized? LOL have you seen your culture? Andrew Tate says he doesn't walk around alone at night due to all the gangs in England!
 
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