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    Prayer for the lost

    :unsure: Is a theology which makes people into automatons, robots, and puppets more intellectually respectable to one that calls for brainwashing?
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    Prayer for the lost

    I've heard a statistic over the years (probably made-up) that the average person who turns to Christ only does say after the fifth or sixth time hearing the gospel. The idea is to encourage evangelism by keeping in mind that we might be only the 3rd or 4th person to share the gospel, and that...
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    How can any divine decree of reprobation exist?

    But let's take that assertion and run it through the calculator. The verse specifically says "Israel". So the Lord does not take pleasure in the wicked among Israel. Fine. How does that help your interpretation of reprobation in Romans 9, where Paul is specifically talking about how Israel...
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    How can any divine decree of reprobation exist?

    But how do we know if someone is doing something like this for pleasure or for justice? What if it came to light that the judge had orchestrated the crime in question? Would we be justified in assuming that the judge was indeed a sadist, and took pleasure in the suffering that he caused? The...
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    How can any divine decree of reprobation exist?

    Ezekiel 33:11 - "Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’" In light of the fact that the Lord does not take pleasure in...
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    Vineyard flagship church in Anaheim leaves Vineyard USA

    I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the fact that John Wimber's old church in Anaheim has left the denomination? It was announced in March 2022 but I just recently learned about it, and evidently a number of former members are suing the current pastors for fraud in doing so. Very...
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    How to share the Gospel with a dead girl

    But that's not quite the gospel is it? To use this story as an illustration of the gospel, we would need to first suppose that the girl had been told before she died that, if she believed in Jesus, He would come speak to her dead body and command her to live. Then we would need to suppose that...
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    1 Timothy 2:4 - the Calvinist interpretation is hopelessly incoherent

    Whatever that reason may be, we can say with confidence that it is despite God's will in the matter.
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    1 Timothy 2:4 - the Calvinist interpretation is hopelessly incoherent

    God desires "all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Tim. 2:4) The Calvinist replies, the "all men" in this verse means "the elect only." The reason? The context mentions specifically only certain types of men (namely kings and those who are in authority - vv. 1-2)...
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    The concept of the "elect" in the Shepherd of Hermas

    It seems to me that so many of the words we find in Scripture that Calvinists love to use come preloaded with their whole theological system when they use them...elect/election, predestine, foreknow, regeneration, and so forth. Thus when we read a verse like Romans 8:29-30, it can be difficult...
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    Does God change...His mind?

    Because I have confidence in God's faithfulness and mercy. The underlying assumption that you're making is this: If God changes His mind, then He must do so arbitrarily. But why is this necessarily true? We humans change our minds all the time, and we don't necessarily assume that someone...
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    Does God change...His mind?

    Do you think that God's nature makes Him arbitrary? If not, then we need not be concerned over the fact that He literally changes His mind. We know certain things to be true about God, therefore we can count on a certain measure of predictability in His choices.
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    Does the Incarnation make classical theism incoherent?

    Yes, I am trinitarian.
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    Reformed Heresy

    I don't know if he does; I'm saying that it would be a logical consequence of his beliefs if he did believe he was saved before he even heard the gospel. Since he believes that the atonement already covers all sins for the elect for all time, without any need to actualize the effects of the...
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    Reformed Heresy

    You have a habit of putting certain ideas that you wish to disbelieve in quotes before asking people to show you where the Bible teaches it. I'm guessing this is your way of making sure you aren't contradicted since (as you know), the words "unactualized atonement" don't appear in Scripture...
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    Reformed Heresy

    Unless you believe that you were saved before you even heard the gospel, then it seems to me that you don't think that universalism is an inescapable consequence of a universal atonement either.
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    "having saved...afterward destroyed"

    Actually I don't (see below). I completely agree that as a hermeneutical principle, the concept of salvation in the Bible is not limited to eternal life and/or forgiveness of sins. Paul says that women shall be saved in childbearing (1 Tim. 2:15) and Jesus uses the word "saved" in reference to...
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    Reformed Heresy

    I'll ask you a question that will hopefully enable you to answer your own question to me. Do you believe that the elect are saved before they turn to Christ? If not, why? Didn't Christ die for their sin of unbelief?
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    Reformed Heresy

    You can ask this same question about every instance in Scripture in which God is said to "regret" or "repent" of choices He has made. But why ask why? Shouldn't we let God choose what verbiage to use in describing Himself to us? Of course, Jesus mentions this book in Rev. 3:5 and says that...
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    Limited atonement

    I guess the words "counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing" don't provoke any thoughts in your mind regarding the scope of the atonement? If so, then I can't sell you what you aren't buying.
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