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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    yes, the emergent properties of consciousness contain the (invisible, immaterial) loving bonds that hold living souls together. What? Our souls are the pinnacle of evolution, so how can you not see that what is “us”, —is consciousness, not physical existence. Therefore, the loving bonds that...
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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    …and BOOM! There it is. ”A complete account of consciousness must show that consciousness was “something to be expected.” Nagel thinks that evolutionary theory as we now have it fails in this regard, so it needs to be supplemented.”
  3. docphin5

    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    A non-materialist perspective might be a teleological one. When we see grass as green that is because the cause of causes needed it to convert sunlight to cellulose so that other animals could convert cellulose to protein so that a moral being might have food to feed his family so that they...
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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    The religious conscience is not projecting what you have already conceded to be “real things too”. Set aside orthodoxy who do project God raining fire, reassembling his human corpse, etc. we are talking about the moral consciousness alone, the consciousness of Good, Truth, Love, Justice, you...
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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    IMO, your concession that emergent properties are “real things too”, in this case, moral consciousness as THE emergent property of mere substance, IS the beginning of theism. The first steps on a long path which leads to the Good Cause of causes. You are not there yet, and may never progress...
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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    Your personal bias is blinding you. I see atheist comments all the time in these forums that emphasize the material world while downplaying moral consciousness. They down play the love between a parent and child to be merely physiological reactions, mere neural stimulation, rather than what it...
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    Edward Feser: Aristotle, call your office

    My impression from the brief link you provided is that you may have misunderstood Fraser. I have not read his book so maybe he does say in his book what you claim he does, But this seems to be the same ol’ argument based on consciousness being a higher level of existence containing a...
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    How many atheist materialists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    If the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances happened then such an event would have happened for a reason or causes going all the way back to before the Big Bang. Therefore, abiogenesis does not preclude a creator, aka, cause of causes. Although...
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    Christianity: Friend or foe to science?

    You are just as wrong in denying evolution as flat-earthers are in denying a round earth. The worst part is that you do it in the name of God misleading christians in the process. Hence turning religion against science. The OP.
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    Christianity: Friend or foe to science?

    Despite whatever misinformation you peddle for the goats to consume there are ten thousand scientists in every country of the world who have documented through the scientific method the overwhelming evidence for evolution. All of it available for anyone to reproduce and actually test for...
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    Christianity: Friend or foe to science?

    Truth is an essential doctrine last time I checked.. Only if it applies to you. Evolution is a settled science overwhelmingly documented by hundreds of thousands of science publications by tens of thousands of scientists all over the developed world. Only religious fundies, even those...
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    Christianity: Friend or foe to science?

    What is manifest today is so-called, self-proclaiming “Christians” who are truly in darkness asserting what is absolutely false as if it were true, and clueless that they unwittingly serve the “Prince of Lies”, and no one is the Wiser. Evolution is a perfect example of an absolute truth...
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    Why an atheist, naturalist should NOT trust their thoughts to be true.

    The God or “aeon” of this material world is the devil per the New Testament. It is why the material world is defective. Orthodoxy does not know the difference between the devil who created this material world and true God who created the aeons before this material world. One or more of those...
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    Why an atheist, naturalist should NOT trust their thoughts to be true.

    Technically, Socrates said it. The idea is expounded in the “Analogy of the Sun”, Wikipedia. Here is a snippet. Instead, Socrates continues, knowledge is to be found in "... that region in which truth and real being brightly shine..." (508d) This is the intelligible illuminated by the highest...
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    Why an atheist, naturalist should NOT trust their thoughts to be true.

    Per Plato, virtue is needed to see clearly. In other words, Plato is saying that the true nature of reality cannot be comprehended by the ordinary senses. Thus, we should make use of the mind rather than the sensory organs to better understand the higher truths of the universe. The mind, much...
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    World Philosophy Day

    I came back to this conception of “forms” or “ideas” presented by Plato (also addressed by Aristotle above) because Ferdinand Baur (in “Paul, the Apostle of JC”) associated Paul’s “aeons” to “cosmic powers”, in the same way that Plato’s “forms” possess an eternal (Greek: aeon) mode of being...
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    Christianity: Friend or foe to science?

    This is a key point that is not appreciated until one starts digging in to the history of the church, Jewish-Christianity, Essenes, Maccabees, Persian-Babylonian religions, even unto the Sumerian and Akkadian beliefs birthed in Mesopotamia. Most people do not have the time to investigate actual...
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    Why an atheist, naturalist should NOT trust their thoughts to be true.

    I am not speaking for caroljeen. But I think you are wrong here and the solution requires a bit of nuance. I would posit that the natural laws prove a Cause, aka, “God” who initiated effects before or on the Big Bang, but, to your point, the natural laws do not prove the cause (God) performed...
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    Greg Boyd on the Resurrection

    As usual you are lost in the details missing the big picture (at least you are consistent). In this case, condemning HOW I characterized the story of human teleportation in Acts as “myth”, “allegory”, or “esoteric” (I gave at least three options) rather than you conceding the point that human...
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    Greg Boyd on the Resurrection

    Teleportation in “Acts of the Apostles” Religious myth or actual history? “And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away...
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