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    Perseverance of the Saints

    That is not true. Are you forcing a parallel between speaking/teaching, and a...prayer? I mean, really? In the section where John says Jesus is praying for Himself: "Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son...
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    The Necessity of Regeneration

    So, do you sacrifice your McDonalds meal when you give it to someone else, or do you offer it to them? Tomayto, tomahto. Okay, Abel was crestfallen that he had to offer the best of what he had, followed by intense anger. Is that better? Then why does the Bible talk about people who, while...
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    The Necessity of Regeneration

    So what about the wave offering? Offering of first fruits? Sacrifice of atonement. The only sense of sacrifice that I would see with Cain and Abel is that they lose what they offer. Abel was more than happy to lose from the best that he had. The Bible states no such thing for Cain. Not sure...
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    The Necessity of Regeneration

    Saying "the natural man cannot understand" comes from Paul. They see the truth of the gospel as folly, says Paul. It is because it is a spiritual truth, that the natural man cannot understand. Jesus in John 3 says that unless a man is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God. If one...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    That falling away from the church, turning their back on God, though they are unbelievers, is apostasy. To everyone else, they were model Christians. This is apostasy. To walk up to the doors of heaven (salvation), setup camp just outside for a while, and then pack up and walk away. Wow...so I...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    I'm going to cover this first, because there is a lot here. You got your Types completely wrong. The way it should be is: God's wrath = waters of the Flood God's patience = God's patience with Noah while he took forever to build the Ark God's grace = the Ark those held prisoner from the days of...
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    The Necessity of Regeneration

    I know Paul spoke specifically how the natural man cannot understand it, and that it is folly to them. I'm not sure how it is selective use of scripture to say that they remain that way until they die, and beyond. If the Father had not made it known to the disciples who Jesus was, they would...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    I always understood it as the Perseverance of the Saints [by God]. I can see preservation, as I have used that before in explaining it.
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    If one loses salvation by works, then one must have gained salvation by works. "19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, through His flesh, 21 and...
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    The Necessity of Regeneration

    So if sacrifice is present all over the Old Testament, would that no mean that minchah is different? I mean, if it actually meant sacrifice, even close to the idea of levitical sacrifice, would that word not be used instead? I mean, it's translated as present more times than it is sacrifice...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    How are non-christians already apostate? What have they fallen from? You have to fall from something to be apostate. In this case, it is the church, the body of Christ, whom an unbeliever may be blending in with...until they leave. Once again, John is talking about apostasy in I John, and he...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    Hebrews. To the mercy seat up in heaven. Applied for all who believed, all who are believing, and all who will believe. That makes no sense. Acts 1 was not told to everyone, Jesus had only told it to the disciples. Wait in Jerusalem until the One promised comes. Jesus, in John 6, was speaking...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    However, Abraham was saved, King David was saved, Jacob was saved, etc. How? By the death of Christ on the cross. His death cracked open eternity. It's affect is felt all through time. How else could Abraham be justified? The Old Testament is clear about exactly who/what is the one who would...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    I'm not sure where you get your idea on what OSAS is. Do you know what cheap grace doctrine is? OSAS is connected to that. Salvation not being lost in OSAS is simply as stated, once saved always saved. No reflection on what Jesus has done. Perseverance of the Saints has that reflection built in...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    That doesn't matter. Do you to put God on the level of man, and place Him outside of eternity? You may need to reconsider. "44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    And that makes no sense at all. The only way it isn't synergistic is if you saved yourself. God just happens to be there, but it is all you. God did nothing. Jesus lied to His disciples and all. That great question "Then who can be saved". Jesus response, "with man this is impossible". There is...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    You should go back to John 6. Jesus is clear that it applies to everyone. He underscored why some of the people who came to Him came to Him, and a way to know that they were not drawn by the Father is that they don't remain. Jesus does use the disciples as an example, but John 6 is actually very...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    What does that have to do with knowing whether the person next to you is saved? Absolutely nothing. You do realize that I have been talking about judging whether someone else is absolutely saved solely by their works, right? It isn't possible. I am not saying that they cannot know. You should...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    No, there is a difference. One believes that God is the one who keeps us in the faith, and the other does not. The other would dictate to God that because someone was once "saved", God cannot deny them entrance, even if their last name was Hitler. Why? Because Once Saved, ALWAYS Saved. One can...
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    Perseverance of the Saints

    Really? So God doesn't know? Do you see how you are mancentric and man centered? The apostles came upon people who it appeared they were saved, but then the evil within came flowing out. Look at Simon the Sorceror. Do you believe that there was no special reason that his story was included, but...
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