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    The foundation of all salvation.

    I'm wondering whether many Calvinists really believe some sort of molinism/neo-molinism and don't know it.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    Maybe it's because you forgot you believe that God as first caused of all effects unconditionally meticulously predetermined ie gifted them to think that way? That is it's really not of their own works but God's? It's not perplexing, right?
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    Yes it depends on God. Without God we would have no libertarian choice. Yes, people under general revelation do libertarianly deny there is a God. Ok, they may be lying but they asserted a choice. Then how do you know today's atheists aren't just lying? And if they already reject God, wouldn't...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    . So you believe the logical sequence is: first there is regeneration, then afterwards faith, then afterwards eternal life?
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    But they were already libertarianly responsible for general revelation. If they denied general revelation, they would have already deafened their ears and would have refused the gospel. But for those who had already accepted or hadn't yet denied general revelation, the gospel would have been...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    Silence means there's no proof one way or the other. Unless you have it. Which apparently you don't. But if there's no Scriptural proof of either libertarianism or unconditional meticulous predetermination, then it is not unscriptural to default to believing what we naturally would believe...
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    "All"?

    All I can say is that Jesus had Thomas put his hand in Jesus' side to feel the wound to prove it was Him. Case closed for me. So John didn't know. It still had a wound.
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    "All"?

    Well He was glorified, so improved and a little different looking. But it wouldn't be proof if He had a swapped body. It would be fakery. ... So other Scriptures that imply that He had a swapped body must be taken to mean profoundly changed to the extent of seeming metaphorized as a swap. I mean...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    It says we rest our faith in God's power rather than our own. It doesn't say we don't libertarianly chose to rest it in Gods power.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    So your belief is that God is the first cause that unconditionally unfairly effects people to hell? Or do you believe it's fair?
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    So Morons etc have a counter dodge that you are unable to defend against? Well then maybe you're wrong on your belief that God is the first cause that unconditionally effected people to hell. But you believe God is the first cause that unconditionally effects people to hell, correct? Admit it.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    And your counter-dodge means you're right? But you do believe God was the first cause that unconditionally effected them to hell, correct? ie non-libertarian? Sure you do. Admit it.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    Lol. Yeah I dodged the same type of idea you dodge. And that makes you right? Yeah. Like you believed unconditional predetermination before you knew about Scripture? You lose. Yeah. Like you haven't been doing it all along.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    The same place it says we are unconditionally predetermined to hell. People naturally believe libertarianism. So we already believe it when we pick up a Bible. So as long as, all things considered, Scripture doesn't oppose it, we assume Scripture is libertarian. But you must, all things...
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    "All"?

    He was glorified, so not clearly the same. But Thomas did recognize him when he touched Jesus' injury.
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    "All"?

    After Jesus resurrected, He proved to Thomas it was Him by having Thomas thrust his hand in Jesus' side to feel the wound. That means it was not a swapped out body but the same one, although glorified. John 20:27 (KJV) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    Everyone's attention is drawn by general revelation. But they libertarianly respond. You seem "predeterminately" high minded toward libertarians.. We do not choose to be saved but libertarianly ask. But it is God's prerogative to save, which He does. It is not our choice for God to reveal...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    God gives general revelation. Romans 1:20 (KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: I would say there is sufficient general...
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    I can ask for revelation of the truth with what little I know. I can accept to follow it or not.
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    The foundation of all salvation.

    You accuse that libertarian faith is a personal effort rather than God's work when contradictorily according to you, even libertarian believers are unconditionally predetermined to be that way.
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