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  1. TibiasDad

    Did Jesus bear Gods wrath and was He forsaken ?

    Not as a rule. Theories of the atonement are very overlapping and almost certainly included substitution to one degree or another. Penal Substitution in a uniquely Reformed take, and thus not adhered too by many Wesleyan thinkers. Substitution, yes, but in the sense of for the sake of, not...
  2. TibiasDad

    Did Jesus bear Gods wrath and was He forsaken ?

    I am merely responding to Civic’s request for me to respond to his thread. @civic seems to be saying that Jesus was not forsaken by the Father, but Jesus, quoting Psalm 22 clearly says that his God has forsaken him. This is the first and obvious question that has to be asked given Civic’s...
  3. TibiasDad

    Did Jesus bear Gods wrath and was He forsaken ?

    My first question is, if Jesus wasn't forsaken by God, why did Jesus say he he had been forsaken? Doug
  4. TibiasDad

    Trolls

    To be fair, this is the final judgement and says nothing about if the eventual goats were incapable of believing prior to this point. Doug
  5. TibiasDad

    Provisionist

    Yes, there are two things that must happen before salvation: preaching (the gospel) and believing (the gospel). Both of which, are the responsibility of human agents! Doug
  6. TibiasDad

    Provisionist

    Does God require us to believe? Doug
  7. TibiasDad

    Provisionist

    Not because we did it, but because God promised if we believed. It is God's promise that is effectual not our action. Our actions, in themselves, are meaningless. Doug
  8. TibiasDad

    Provisionist

    Believing is not a meritorious action. It is not a work! There is no "respecting of persons" in conditional elections because all are equally welcome to believe and able to believe when convicted and enlightened by the Spirit through the gospel. Any man woman from any nation, of any status is...
  9. TibiasDad

    The free will systems

    Please quote and cite Arminian scholars who assert what you accuse us of believing. Please quote and cite where I have ever asserted what you accuse me of believing. Doug
  10. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    If determinism is impossible in the Eternal Realm, then God cannot be self determined. Self determination is still determination. Doug
  11. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    That is side stepping the issue. God, being God, is the standard for every quality that he possesses. God says "Be holy for I am holy", God says "Be perfect as you Father in heaven is perfect". What God is in being is the standard, and to not be like him is to be unholy, imperfect, and immoral...
  12. TibiasDad

    Arminian confusion

    Happy birthday, my brother. I’m glad you liked it. Doug
  13. TibiasDad

    Arminian confusion

    Leap into the loving arms Of the Savior strong yet meek Find protection from all harm Safety from the stormy bleak. Leap into the loving arms Ever sure, forever strong To all our earthly fears disarm Find the peace for which we long. Leap in faith, the loving arms Will always catch you and...
  14. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    The moral standard itself must be moral by definition! Doug
  15. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    I assume that what follows is what establishes your point, so I won't comment on this yet... Okay so far...and rather obvious! What makes a chooser a chooser is having the authority to choose. Such authority is part of the Imago Dei. Adam had a choice of what source from which he could choose...
  16. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    A God that is not moral doesn't make sense! Doug
  17. TibiasDad

    Soft Model of Libertarian Free Will

    You would have to assume that this is an important/relevant question. Why it is done is not the question, but rather, what and whether it is done. The question of why Adam and Eve chose to disobey/disbelieve God's words is irrelevant. Besides, your question is a philosophical question in...
  18. TibiasDad

    Arminian confusion

    God does reveal this in a variety of ways, most notably through the gospel message, as well as the gospel accounts themselves. By means of the Holy Spirit, the truth can be brought to light, especially our guilt and need of a savior. We all, even as sinners know when we have done something...
  19. TibiasDad

    Arminian confusion

    Essentially, yes. Paul states in Rom 6 and 8 of being set free from the power and control of sin; he cannot therefore be "under sin" and its control in chapter 7:14-ff. Whether or not this is an instance of the historical present from a technical standpoint (and while I now understand that...
  20. TibiasDad

    Arminian confusion

    Arminius does not say anything about the process of regeneration, ie, the timing/chicken and egg sequencing. He is only addressing the ultimate cause without distinguishing the aspects of, shall we say, secondary causes. Doug
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