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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    We've already gone over all this ground. You think I'm full of pride and have a reading comprehension. I think your pride and haughtiness are off the scales (only when I say it, I'm committing an ad hominem). And that isn't going to change. Not much more to say really, is there. You'll have to...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    Let me spell it out for you: no-one in the discussion said that the dating mattered or didn't matter for the interpretation of the text. Never discussed. But nice try gaslighting with the "you guys don't get it" routine. Since your reading comprehension borders on that of BA's, I'll let you have...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    The only suppositions are in this post. Apparently you somehow thought the thread was about the interpretation of Revelation. It wasn't. Perhaps you should re-read without the suppositions.
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    He didn't see the point as I edited my post and his response was to the pre-edited version, wise guy.
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    Yodas Prodigy claimed: "Kenneth Gentry wrote, Before Jerusalem Fell, his doctoral thesis on the very subject... The 96 date comes from one Church Father 100 years later and everyone else uses it. I can show you numerous others who held to an earlier date" the response: When challenged, he...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    Doesn't matter how many times you deny what you did. It just proves what I said. You were "only quoting from the article" huh? Really? Let's look again. Yodas Prodigy claimed: "Kenneth Gentry wrote, Before Jerusalem Fell, his doctoral thesis on the very subject... The 96 date comes from one...
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    Did the Church Fathers Place Revelation in Nero or Domitian's reign?

    Interesting. This Satire was apparently written in the year 127 AD, but it would be useful to know more about these exiles. Do we know who they were, or why they were sent? Were these exiles victims of a specific incident or were there always exiles in these islands? Nero sent exiles to this...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    No, you weren't quoting the article. You repeated the claims of this article (which has "a depth" you've seldom seen elsewhere), and you didn't bother checking the claims, and you repeated them in your own words. Anything else is twisting things. First you pretend that you didn't make the...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    You claimed he placed Revelation late in Domitian's reign. He didn't. Now I'm the bad guy: now I "ignore" him. smh. oh I don't know, maybe implying I was deliberately selectively quoting Origen while still refusing to concede your claim about him was erroneous (as you do with Clement, below)...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    You don't "remember"? Here, let me refresh your memory:
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    You haven't provided evidence. You stated that Clement and Origen support the late date, even though they are silent on the matter. Instead of conceding the point, you turn it around and make me the bad guy. You apparently seem to think that because Origen wasn't a preterist, he must have been...
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    Did the Church Fathers Place Revelation in Nero or Domitian's reign?

    Thank you! As I understand it, Domitian banished philosophers from the city of Rome. They were free to go where they wanted, and Epictetus chose Nicopolis. That's what I've read anyway. I don't know a whole lot about him to be honest. I don't know of any evidence that it was used as a place...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    So that's your evidence? You falsely claimed Clement and Origen but who cares, let's just turn it around and make me the bad guy? lol. What should I do about Irenaeus? Scholars say that the interpretation of his words are up for debate, but you say "you" don't find them ambiguous. Wow, case...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    I see I never answered him, from earlier this year. I've responded to him now. https://forums.carm.org/threads/did-the-church-fathers-place-revelation-in-nero-or-domitians-reign.2460/
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    Did the Church Fathers Place Revelation in Nero or Domitian's reign?

    Another poster just mentioned your user name in a discussion. I did a search and found this unanswered thread. Better late than never, but here are a few thoughts: The Acts of John doesn't mention the exile. If it did, it would have been in the lost beginning, and therefore would support an...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    Of all of those, only Eusebius clearly and unambiguously placed John's exile late in Domitian's reign. Irenaeus is somewhat ambiguous and his words could mean either "John was seen" or "the vision was seen." The context, the ancient Latin translation, and Irenaeus's other statements elsewhere in...
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    WoF and The date Revelation was written

    This article can be challenged at multiple points. The evidence favors the early date imo. If you wish to go into depth and discuss this, we can.
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    Early Church Fathers on the Martyrdom of John son of Zebedee

    Right, he wasn't one of the twelve. The twelve scattered and fled, because Jesus said they would all forsake him.
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    Early Church Fathers on the Martyrdom of John son of Zebedee

    That's not me! The problem with this is Apollinaris hasn't been preserved either, but is found in a much later text which appears to have combined a number of early and medieval traditions and ascribed them all to Papias. Personally I don't think "being baptized with the baptism I will be...
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    Theodore of Mopsuestia, Eusebius and Papian Tradition

    Thanks Jonathan, I appreciated your interaction with the article. It's good to take a rest from forums such as this from time to time, particularly when there is a lot going on elsewhere.
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