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  1. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Nope WE set the standard, glen And that includes you! And this is precisely why you refuse to acknowledge that you would be immoral for inflicting, upon another, a harm that you knew to be needless Your judgement - just like my own - is better than God's and you are absolutely terrified to...
  2. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    No, I expect God to comport Himself in a moral fashion I expect God to be righteous and just
  3. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    I agree with you, glen - when God inflicts harm upon us it's because He WANTS TO! Not because He HAS TO In other words, when God inflicts harm it's needless harm rather than needful/needed harm Again, it's the difference between a surgeon who has no other choice except to cut you open in...
  4. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    You got me there, fella! It's self absorbed and narcissistic to expect one to actually conform to a standard that one claims to conform to...
  5. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    If God never acts in a needless way, then it naturally follows, that when He does act it's because He needs to act Because He is required to act Because He is being forced to act Who is requiring God to act, glen? What is forcing God to do what He does? Other than a voluntary conformance to...
  6. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    I'm not talking about God right now I'm talking about you Will you answer my question or not??? If there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go ahead and inflict it anyway - are you immoral for doing so???
  7. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    He owes it to us to comport Himself in a moral fashion - if He wants to regarded as good and just, that it is
  8. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    His moral better - that's who I am That's who you are That's who most every one of us are Will you answer my question or not??? If there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go ahead and inflict it anyway - are you immoral for doing so???
  9. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Wrong! If God wants to be regarded as righteous and just then He most certainly does owe us something!!
  10. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Anytime that God causes harm it is, by definition, needless because God never, ever needs to cause harm in order to achieve His desired end A surgeon has no other choice except to cut a person open {the harm} in order to remove a cancer {the greater good} God is different God ALWAYS has a...
  11. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    I understand and I forgive you You sense, rightly so, that you are not doing well in this debate That is why you are now lashing out with the insults...
  12. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Let's approach this from another angle I'm not asking you to identify all harm and determine which does and which does not qualify as needless THAT, would be presumptuous... What I want to know from you is if there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go...
  13. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Still can't bring yourself to admit that it's immoral to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others... Sad, sad, sad
  14. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Awfully presumptuous of you to diagnose me like that, don't you think?
  15. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    The vast majority of abortions, as I understand it, occur when the unborn is little more than a gob of goo I don't see how it's possible to inflict harm upon a gob of goo Were it made known to me that the unborn being aborted are, in fact, fully fledged human beings capable of feeling pain...
  16. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    I don't care! Call yourself whatever you wish - it's no skin off my nose Why is this an issue?
  17. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    You, then, are extremely confused There are plenty enough naturally occurring trials in life I have no issue with this In fact, wouldn't be much of a life at all were there no challenges What I take issue with is the conscious and purposeful infliction of needless trials
  18. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    The term "narcissist" can mean different things to different people You didn't hesitate to call me a narcissist Again, why wasn't that presumptuous, but asserting that it's wrong to inflict needless harm is???
  19. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    Nope - I'm not going to go back in the thread to find it, but what I very clearly stated is that we all {minus socio/psychopaths} agree that it is immoral to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others AND that some of us also extend the definition of immorality to include...
  20. treeplanter

    Any pro-life people here able to defend their position?

    You have never said that something is wrong? You, in this very thread, have asserted that I am wrong! Why is it that accusing me of being narcissistic {i.e. wrong} isn't presumptuous of you - but asserting that it is wrong to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon another...
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