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    Justification--Biblical and LDS theology

    Thess--I believe that is a good point--and I'm not sure you understood or accepted my answers up to now. But, I am willing to go back through this as many times as might be necessary. Yes--it is past tense here: Romans 5:18---King James Version 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment...
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    About those LDS temples.....

    Why would you be interested in LDS temples--when you don't even believe the testimony of God--- given centuries ago? 2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he...
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    The LDS view of God's grace

    Bonnie--the LDS believe God's grace is with man all along the straight and narrow way which leadeth unto life. God's grace isn't just before, during, or after--but all along. 1) God's free gift of His Atonement and resurrection, as a free gift of grace to all men--justifying all men of...
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    The OT--and tithing

    Malachi 3:8-10---King James Version 8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat...
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    "self-righteousness"?

    I have a question for the board: Is this an example of those who believe that their performance will give them some sort of "right standing" with the Lord, or those who believe their self righteousness will give them a right standing with the Lord? 1 John 1:7----King James Version 7 But if we...
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    saved by God's grace?

    So--if it isn't God's grace which saves--can you reveal to us what does save mankind?(as the saving agent) Also--what is your evidence God does not give His grace to them which obey His commandments? Revelation 22:14---King James Version 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they...
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    "must" "certainly "without" "all" "doubt"

    So--could the Lutherans explain why "good works" --"must" "certainly "without" "all" "doubt"--follow a "true faith"? What will happen, or be the result-- if those works don't follow? IOW--one has already obtained salvation at the point before works. What happens to that salvation if the works...
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    "not by works"

    So--could Bonnie explain this for us? That only indicated "true faith" isn't necessary for salvation. IMO--that's a very confused testimony. Since these are the scriptures which are thrown up whenever the LDS post scriptures connecting a faith with works in obtaining salvation--I thought we...
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    The foundation of the NT church

    It was the living, mortal apostles and prophets the NT had, which formed the foundation--Jesus Christ being the "Chief Corner Stone": Ephesians 2:20---King James Version 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone...
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    "fitly framed together"

    It was the living, mortal apostles and prophets the NT had, which formed the foundation--Jesus Christ being the "Chief Corner Stone": Ephesians 2:20---King James Version 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone...
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    No righteousness?

    While I would admit--man could have no righteousness without Christ's work, IE--His Atonement and Resurrection(free gift to all men)---could you collate your claim with the Biblical witness? 1 John 3:7----King James Version 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness...
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    Now--the rest of the story

    If Jesus' righteousness is credited to us, as our own---is the complete story---then why are all mankind judged according to their own works--after death--and that for life or damnation? John 5:28-29---King James Version 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are...
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    How do the LDS collate those verses?

    No one has made the claim Paul was referring to the Mosaic Law in every instance--only that (1) Paul differentiated between certain rituals of the Mosaic Law--and obedience to the gospel--and (2) Paul often was referring to the rituals under the Mosaic Law when referring to works, and/or that it...
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    The Love for God

    That's a very telling revelation, IMO--and possibly the mindset of faith alone theology. The Savior's testimony takes a different course: Mark 12:30-31---King James Version 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy...
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    Faith that saves Is never alone?

    I would like to ask Theo--or anyone--what do they believe is added to faith alone in obtaining salvation?
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    The Redemption and LDS theology

    It's what all of mankind needs to be saved--but faith, nor the Atonement--- didn't save anyone in and by itself. If that were so--grace wouldn't be needed, or, all of mankind would be saved, as the Atonement was a free gift to all men: Romans 5:18---King James Version 18 Therefore as by the...
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    The "only begotten of the Father"

    The LDS believe "Only Begotten of the Father" is a specific reference to Jesus Christ's birth in the flesh, IE--that Jesus Christ was the only Man ever born to this earth who had an earthly mother--and a heavenly Father. Unique. John 1:14---King James Version 14 And the Word was made flesh, and...
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    "works righteousness"

    I have asked on a number of occasions for someone on this board to explain what "works righteousness" means--the response now belongs to the cricket choir. Perhaps you would like to venture an explanation of "works righteousness"? Anyone???
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    The math of scriptural verses

    Has anyone noticed a trend here on this board? I have. And a conclusion. Sometimes, when I post scriptures which might disagree with the critic's theology--there seems to be a trend for the critics to counter it with some other scripture which might be more friendly to their theology...
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    Do Lutherans believe they have to choose between scriptures?

    No. Does Christ connect anything but keeping the commandments to the love of God here? John 14:15---King James Version 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. So--why does one have to choose between the options of John3:16 or John14:15? Why can't keeping the commandments be an integral...
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