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Siding somewhat with Tercon!? You sir are dead to me.

No I'm pretty sure you are wrong. Atheism is belief based. Those beliefs don't include a god.

No I'm not able to know about things "independent of" my mind. Does that mean nothing can exist "independent of" my mind? Actually I don't think you can show how and why. If you could this thread would have stopped at the first post.

Any evidence?

Again you are shifting responsibility.

You're the one who thinks it is more so I'll leave it up to you. Words don't have an objective standard. They have common usage. That's why some words change meaning over time. If meaning were objective they couldn't Those who don't understand them that way won't understand me. I don't care...

How do you know he's not?

Prove that Atheists lie about the Devil and Creation. Do you know an atheist here who has been on a crusade and killed one person?

Atheism is not unbelief. It is simply belief in truth and reality other than yours.

He still died. Just as he would have done as an unbeliever.

1. I'm not talking about knowing. I'm talking about a reality independent of my existence. Are you saying there isn't one? 2 Yes 3. I'm talking about getting hit without knowing, not about knowing without getting hit. Even though you can consider it you don't actually know getting hit by a rock...

My knowledge of "Truth, love, morality, logic, consciousness" only exist because I exist? I've seen others get hit that's how I know. But I could get hit and not know. I could be dead. Your last sentence makes no sense.

Are you saying God spanked his children? Are you saying God had to kill some to protect others? Why did God make man a brutal barbarian?

Are you saying that God is the equivalent of a closed minded bigoted old man?

And he did nothing. What a great God.

Theism is based upon belief. According to you that is simply feelings. What I wrote does have meaning because I used words in the way that is commonly understood and agreed upon by people. If you think words have objective meaning where does that meaning come from? How can words change in...

Satan is just an excuse for the bad deeds of men. It's a way to shift responsibility.

Do you know of any?

While your constant request that atheists draw a line on the spectrum, from rape and murder to personal insults, at which point God should intervene doesn't trivialise pain at all does it? The convoluted lengths that early church fathers went to to rationalise the death of a failed messiah...

Show that reality is belief based rather than belief being reality based? Truth, love, morality, logic, consciousness are human constructs so of course they require a believing mind. Again can I get hit by a rock without "knowing" about it”? Can you get “the rock” out of your head?