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  1. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    SG, With all due respect, Calvinism has all the same elements of protocol that any orthodox Christian believes. We must choose to believe in Calvinism just as in Arminian thought. The difference is in when and how this takes place; resistible or not, if faith cause or effect? If only we all...
  2. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    Are you saying that physical circumcision is still a necessity for a Gentile believer who had not been/is not yet circumcised ? If so, you are not a believer in salvation by grace through faith alone. You have made comments earlier that the sacrificial laws are still in effect through...
  3. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    And I have posted a very similar explanation of why I am very different from Finney! I'm not holding my breath for an apology or recantment of their errors. But that's okay! They are forgiven from my perspective and heart anyway! Doug
  4. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude, but I can’t tell if you’re being serious or simply obnoxiously argumentative. Any sexual activity that is outside of marriage or improperly enacted within marriage is wrong. The Bible speaks of sexual sin in broad terms in marriage as adultery, and out of...
  5. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    The difference is not in the quote, but rather in the Finney axiom on which the quote rests. Quoting GotQuestions.com, “Charles Finney denied that mankind has a sinful nature inherited from Adam”, thus Finney believed in man’s natural power to respond to God both before man sins and after the...
  6. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    Yes, and was referring to Paul’s non-parenthetical statement in Rom 14:14. So whether the Mark passage is original or not, the message of it is declared emphatically and demonstrated throughout the NT. The only dietary laws the the Jerusalem Council upheld, were “to abstain from food sacrificed...
  7. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    Not in any way, shape or form. Doug
  8. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    I don't recall mentioning Mark 7, but Paul non-parenthetically says the same thing. Rom 14:14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. Are we now rewriting...
  9. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    I hope some of your compatriots will learn this fact...You are greatly appreciated, respected and enjoyed by this Wesleyan! Doug
  10. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    Thank you, and I don’t endorse Finny’s theology. I would hope that is not in question? Doug
  11. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    No we don’t, and no it’s not! Learn what you’re talking about before you post such nonsense? Doug
  12. TibiasDad

    Romans 11 and the elect

    And you are arguing against a strawman and it shows your lack of understanding of both my position and that of Finny. Before you make such inept arguments again, at least run it past ReverendRV/Brusier or Civic, they know me well and what I hold to; they would tell you I don’t espouse Finnyism...
  13. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    You are not taking in the purpose of the law. Paul clearly teaches that the reason for the law was not to provide a prescriptive remedy to sin, but rather a diagnostic tool to expose the reality of sin's depravity. (Rom 3:20, 7:13) Thus, it teaches us that we are sinful and incapable, in our own...
  14. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    With all due respect, this is a ludicrous argument. Acts 10:9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance...
  15. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    Exodus 20:1And God spoke all these words: 2“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3“You shall have no other gods before a me. 4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters...
  16. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    You seem to be a bit hypocritical here, for dietary laws are part of the ceremonial laws, not the moral code. Christ fulfilled the ceremonial law, and God discarded these elements when he showed Peter the vision of the “unclean” animals in the sheet, commanding him to eat! “Do not call unclean...
  17. TibiasDad

    Prevenient Grace- Chosen in Him !

    Furthermore, it definitely doesn’t say all who are drawn are saved! It says all who come are drawn, and those who actually come are promised to be raised! Indeed, this implies that salvation is effected in those who will be raised, but it doesn’t imply, much less state that all who are drawn...
  18. TibiasDad

    Prevenient Grace- Chosen in Him !

    You’ll have to show me where “saves” is in the Greek: οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με ἐὰν μὴ ὁ Πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν, κἀγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ. It does not say all who are drawn will necessarily come, but only that all who come are necessarily drawn first, and that those...
  19. TibiasDad

    Prevenient Grace- Chosen in Him !

    That is the question at hand, and the basis of this forum’s existence. There is no scripture that explicitly or implicitly says unambiguously that the new birth necessarily precedes belief. If there were, we would not be having this discussion. Not John 6,10, not 1John 5:1; nothing period! Doug
  20. TibiasDad

    The law verses the glory that was done away; the ministration of death

    Gal 3:23Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian...
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