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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    According to you, does God do things without a reason other than pleasure? Hosea 14:2 Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to Him, "Take away all iniquity And receive us graciously, That we may present the fruit of our lips. This one is going to take some discussion, because I think...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Okay, but why is sacrifice His desire? But these didn't atone for sin. Hence the forgiveness comes before the offering of the fruit of the lips. The temple sacrifices were still going on at the time of Hosea. If you didn't add on the part you knew that I wouldn't have said, I would have...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    God indeed needs nothing, not even our worship. However, it's not God who is in need, but us. We needed a sacrifice to atone for sin, which is what I'm getting from Jewjitzu. So it's not simply a matter of getting together at the table for a meal. And I think this might be an area that isn't...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    I don't see how you answered my question. In my head I'm separating God's desire that repentance is required for true atonement, and your statement that "God wouldn't allow [the return of sacrifices if sacrifices] didn't meet His desire", which I take to be referring to sacrifices specifically...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    But is the blood of bulls and goats even required for atonement? You say that by itself it's not enough, but rather you need sincere repentance with it. But is that even enough because it doesn't have any effect for intentional sins. And even then it was to be done for a sin, not all sins...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    If it provided atonement then where's your temple? Where's the Ark of the Covenant?
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    If it means what you say it means, then the temple should never have been destroyed.
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    The blessing of Calvinism in apologetics

    Since God is mighty to save, it's not up to me to raise the dead. Since it's not up to me to raise the dead, my main concern is that I am blameless before the Lord in my words, my thoughts, and my actions. In short, Calvinism frees me up to love, to be silent, to not try to correct every single...
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    Perspective

    Arminianist: You're a Calvinist? Calvinist: Yup A: You must not evangelize because you believe God is capable of saving without you. C: You're an Arminianist? A: Yup C: You must evangelize because you believe God is incapable of saving without you. Just a thought on two extremes being strawmen...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Yeah! Of course! I figure this one could go either way. I mention the case in 2 Samuel 21 because they exposed the bodies before the LORD (21:6, 9) and after that (V14) "God answered prayer in behalf of the land." I grant that it was after "the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan" were buried...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    I honestly did not think of that chapter... which I think might be ironic... anyway. What about 2 Samuel 21:1-14, with the Gibeonites that Saul slaughtered and David handed over 7 of Saul's descendants to them? Do you think that also counts as vicarious sufferings for someone else's sin...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Yeah, please note that whenever I quote from the New Testament, it's so you know where I'm getting my stuff from and hopefully it clarifies things. I try not to make stuff up. Just so you know, I hope my questions below are enjoyable ones. I'm enjoying this conversation :D Are you saying...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    It can apply to predestination I guess... but if I'm going to be technical it's more imputed righteousness and substitutionary atonement as the grounds for me to be forgiven as opposed to my own acts. I could explain that a little more if you need me to (hopefully explain it well!). But to put...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Psalm 32:1 Of David. A maskil. Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit. You would apply this Psalm to those in eternal torment.
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Maybe it's best to say this difference. Which comes first, repentance or forgiveness? If I'm correct, your position is that a person repents and then they are forgiven. My position is that they are forgiven, and therefore they repent. I haven't always given full repentance, yet he forgave me...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Kinda, I would say that those who truly believe are forgiven, and repentance is evidence that we have true belief and are forgiven. What's the background to your question?
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Wow, sorry you have to go through that. But... as much as I want to do right by other people, I know that I mess up. I'm thinking of one exchange where I said something irresponsible to a Jewish person and it ended the online conversation, and rightly so. So it's a valid question to ask whether...
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    True. I still feel like certain Jewish people haven't forgiven Christians for the past. Usually I find that if a topic keeps getting brought back up there's something that hasn't been forgiven. I just don't know. And if I'm right in some way, I don't know the extent.
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    I dunno. I just feel like there's this overall lingering pain that hasn't been resolved. Like I said, I was studying 2 Samuel 21 and that came to mind. If there's nothing, that's something to learn from this too.
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    Why God isn't, can't become man?

    Thank you for letting me know. I have a question. I was studying 2 Samuel 21, where David makes reconciliation with the Gibeonites for what Saul did. Is there anything that you could suggest that I do personally to make reconciliation for what was done?
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