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You are skiping ahead... What was there to "observe", apart from God himself before God determined to create? ...

Did God "know" his own reactions, that would occur in the timeline of creation, before he determined those reactions?

What Determined what God "sees"?... ... and how long did it exist before "God sees" it? ...

Just curious tom... Do you believe that "ALL things" that were to occur in the timeline of creation was settled before God created? ...

God Determines "ALL things" that occur in the timeline of his creation... including the means that bring about "every thought, desire, and act of man". Example: God determined that Pharaoh not let the people go by hardening his heart through storyline level means so that he will not let them...

Like I have clarified many times before “The reference point matters” in a theological discussion. Because tom is a Leightonist he makes a blanket statement every time he uses the term “free will” to intentionally make it appear like we deny all definitions of the term when in reality we are...

Like I said: The Provisionist view suggests the third layer, comprised of created entities, can possess "wills" that are "free" to determine outcomes independent of the first two layers is indeed logically incoherent. Tom’s perspective essentially reverses the layer order and attributes roles...

There is no additional thing outside of the three layers to know: https://forums.carm.org/threads/a-practical-understanding-of-gods-omniscience-in-3-layers.16604/ …

Yes they reverse the logical layer order of God's Omniscience placing the third layer as the first layer... https://forums.carm.org/threads/a-practical-understanding-of-gods-omniscience-in-3-layers.16604/

"libertarian free will" does not exist on the third level. And you failed to address: ...

The Provisionist view suggests the third layer, comprised of created entities, can possess "wills" that are "free" to determine outcomes independent of the first two layers is indeed logically incoherent. This perspective essentially reverses the layer order and attributes roles to created...

It would be considered foolish and illogical to accept a view that any part of the third layer of existence can be "free" from or influence the first two layers for several reasons: Inherent Dependency: The third layer, which encompasses all created and sustained things, is inherently dependent...

It's crucial to understand that nothing in the third layer of existence can transition to the next moment of existence independently; it is entirely dependent on God's causative power in accordance with the first two layers: Divine Causative Power: In this framework, God's causative power is...

Let's break down God's omniscience into three layers: Layer One: God's Perfect Eternal Knowledge of Himself In the first layer, God possesses perfect, eternal knowledge of Himself. This knowledge includes an understanding of His own nature, attributes, and the full scope of His omnipotence...

Open Theism and Closed Theism represent two contrasting views on the nature of God's knowledge of His relationship with creation. Open Theism and Provisionism posits that God's knowledge of His creation is not predetermined by Himself. Instead, it suggests that some aspects of the future are...

The difference is there is no "thing" to know that God has not determined the existance of. Tom is adding MORE THINGS to the "all things" determined by God... assuming more than "all things" could be known in the first place. Closed Theism asserts that God's knowledge of his creation is...

This is a Provisionist Statment: THE SINFULNESS OF MAN "We affirm that, because of the fall of Adam, every person inherits a nature and environment inclined toward sin and that every person who is capable of moral action will sin." As you can see God has determined that ALL "will sin" before...

Both Open Theism and Provisionism teach that God's knowledge of his creation is influenced by the choices of created creatures, while Closed Theism maintains that God's knowledge is independent and all-encompassing. Closed Theism asserts that God's knowledge of his creation is completely...

@Reformedguy God's Omniscience determines every thing. Or do you believe created things Authored parts of God' Omniscience? ...

Unlike you I deny God's knowledge is open to "input" from created things... Therefore tom should admit that he shares the same "human input" rational as open theist ... ...