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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    What I have said is that scripture doesn't ever call the blood Jesus shed on the cross - the blood of the covenant. The only thing scripture calls the blood of the covenant is the contents of the cup - the wine.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    The blood of the covenant is propitiatory. What does scripture say is the blood of the covenant? It is not the cross. Seems like you have a problem.
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    It is not possible for the blood of the covenant to be symbolic. According to God the blood of covenant is the contents of the cup.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    God told you? Please explain to us how God told you?
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    It tasted nice. It doesn't prove that the bread and wine are symbolic.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Yes, eternal life the day we eat the Eucharist. But it is a journey to the celestial city. And each day brings new trials and new challenges. So partaking of the Eucharist is not a one time guarantee of eternal life. It is a daily thing. That is why Christ told us to pray for our...
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    False. Scripture teaches that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. My church teaches that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. The nCCs teaches that the bread and wine are not the body and blood of Christ. Why should we believe the nCCs words over those...
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    I deny your understanding of scripture. I don't deny scripture.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Sorry, but that post doesn't say that the wine at the Last Supper is not propitiatory.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    No it does not. The verse the nCCs quote in Hebrews 9 does say the NC went into effect right at the time of Jesus death. It says that the death is required before the will can take effect.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Hebrews 9 doesn't say the NC went into effect at the time of Jesus death on the cross. It tells us that the death of the testator must be established before the will takes effect. It doesn't say that the NC went into at the moment Jesus died on the cross. Scripture also say the Jesus...
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    It doesn't explicitly tell us that the NC went into effect at the Last Supper but it can be inferred from the words of Jesus.
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    The are some nCCs who don't believe the book of Hebrews is the inspired word of God. We have the authority of the church to refute that false teaching.
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    What is the official teaching of the Catholic Church?
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Catholics use their master? Our master said, "...this is my body...this is my blood of the covenant...". Your master says the the bread is not his body and the wine is not his blood of the covenant. Why should we listen to your master?
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Hebrews 7:9-10, "One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him." Using similar logic we could say that the NC went into effect at the LS even though Jesus hadn't actually died on the...
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Jesus is also eternal begotten from the Father and God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. God is eternal and we are finite.
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     Scripture as the Definitive Guide

    Do you have a quote from the official teaching of the Catholic Church that denies that the wine at the Last Supper is not propitiatory?
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    Scripture doesn't tell us the exact moment that the NC went into effect. We know that it was in effect at the Last Supper because the wine is the blood of the new covenant.
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