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     The New Covenant

    Hi Mike, since there is no promised land anymore for Israelites. Just how can gentiles coming to Christ be grafted into Israel? The Bible does not tell us we are grafted into Israel. Whoever came up with that misinformation is not thinking. Jesus is the trunk, Jesus give life and Jesus...
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    Icy wrote in his OP post# 1: Let's look at another aspect of what verse 8 tells us. It records the LORD as stating who the new covenant is for. "I will make a new covenant with the people of ISRAEL and with the people of JUDAH." This new covenant is ONLY with Israel and Judah. Gentiles are not...
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    Hi Icy, thought I might add a couple of clinkers to the debate. You have reminded us that the new covenant is only for Israel and Judah. That, of course, leaves gentiles free of the demands of the new old covenant. The only way for a gentile to become part of the new old covenant would be...
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     The New Covenant

    Hi Mike, Jesus was born under the Law. He lived under the Law. He died under the Law and He arose from the dead under the new Law He ratified on the Cross. The new law, Law of Love, written in our hearts along with the gift of the Holy Spirit is an everlasting covenant for all mankind. The...
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    Jesus made the "distinction" in Jn 15. 9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
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     The New Covenant

    Hi Charismatic Lady, I commend you for your answers to sparks questions. The Lord has surely blessed you with much insight. One question made me ☺. Several years ago, I presented spark with 2Cor3:7-11. At that time, he dismissed the fact that Paul so plainly wrote that the 10 commandments...
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    I simply do not agree with your cherry-picking verse 28 as the final word on what the covenant consisted. The covenant was much more that the ten commandments. The covenant is found in Ex 19: 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured...
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    As always, I have to correct you spark. The words of the covenant had 613 commandments. Ten God wrote with His finger, 603 God spoke with His mouth. It is great that you do not pick and choose. When did you change?
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     The New Covenant

    So, spark, the covenant has ended, but the words of the ended covenant are still in effect? Well, just some of them like the weekly Sabbath, the modified tithing law and the unclean meat law? Where does scripture allow man to pick and choose what laws of the defunct old covenant are still...
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     The New Covenant

    I accept the fact that the ten commandments were written on stone and given to one nation, Israel. There are no records that God ever gave the ten to any other nation. Nine of those ten deal with morality and laws dealing with morality are forever. Those nine commands are imbedded in all of...
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     The New Covenant

    Spark wrote: The Sinai covenant promised the Israelites the land of Canaan. That was a great promise for a group of people that all they knew was slavery. The new and better covenant with better promises Jesus ratified at Calvary with His own blood promises all mankind eternal life in Heaven...
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