“Just Because God Foreknows…” (Rebuttal)…

Sketo said:
The fact that God Foreknows All Things is proof that All Things have already been Determined by something…

…the only thing left to do now is justify what that THING is before anything was created…

Can you justify your answer?

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Actually it is proof of God's omniscience

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S. Young, 1851), 26–27.

God is a maximally great being

seeing as a being who does not need to determine things to know what will be is greater

that a god who does not then God has foreknowledge and does not need to determine things to know the future

then be
 
Sketo said:
The fact that God Foreknows All Things is proof that All Things have already been Determined by something…

…the only thing left to do now is justify what that THING is before anything was created…

Can you justify your answer?

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fltom said:
Actually it is proof of God's omniscience

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S. Young, 1851), 26–27.
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So you believe the THING that determined God’s foreknowledge of what you will do is “supposed conditions”…

… the only thing left to do now is justify what that THING is that determined those known conditions before anything was created…

Can you justify your answer?

…
 
Sketo said:
So you believe the THING that determined God’s foreknowledge of what you will do is “supposed conditions”…

… the only thing left to do now is justify what that THING is that determined those known conditions before anything was created…

Can you justify your answer?

…
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Er that was the WCF's comments

Why did you fail to acknowledge that

I. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S.
Young, 1851), 26–27.

you are found to have adopted a position contrary to your own Calvinistic creeds
 
fltom said:
Er that was the WCF's comments

Why did you fail to acknowledge that

I. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S.
Young, 1851), 26–27.

you are found to have adopted a position contrary to your own Calvinistic creeds
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How do you figure that?...

Like the confession states God's knowing is based on something other then "forseeing" or "conditions"...

Therefore I agree God determined all things including the "conditions" and that is how God knows what will happen upon such "conditions".

Maybe fltom misunderstands the WFC...

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fltom said:
Er that was the WCF's comments

Why did you fail to acknowledge that

I. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S.
Young, 1851), 26–27.

you are found to have adopted a position contrary to your own Calvinistic creeds
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If you read a little further you will notice that the WCF and I are in agreement

V. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, hath chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory,(i) out of His mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving Him thereunto.) and all to the praise of His glorious grace.(l)

VI. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so hath He, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will, fore-ordained all the means thereunto.(m) Wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ by His Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified,(o) and kept by His power through faith, unto salvation.(p) Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.(q)

“… for-ordained all the means thereunto…”

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