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ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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Is there such a thing as "Filthy-Rag faith?"

Isaiah 64:6 NIV; All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

The Church teaches that everything we do before we're Saved is filthy due to our Sinfulness. I gave an example elsewhere of faith that could be considered a Filthy-Rag; that of a Jew believing in YHWH. Even plowing a field to feed the world is a Filthy-Rag in the sight of God...

If you believe your faith isn't a Filthy-Rag, why is your faith excluded from Isaiah's charge of Filthiness since this Faith is of your righteousness? I would say my Faith is excluded because the Grace of God prevened my Faith, in order to make a 'real' difference in my Salvation; a difference that makes my Faith spotless...


And Calvinists, remember I'm a 5-Pointer if you wonder about something I said; please give me the benefit of the doubt for now...
 
PeanutGallery

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ReverendRV said:
Is there such a thing as "Filthy-Rag faith?"

Isaiah 64:6 NIV; All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away....
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Faith is not works; you seem to be classifying faith as a work.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
 
ReverendRV

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PeanutGallery said:
Faith is not works; you seem to be classifying faith as a work.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
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I didn't say Faith is a Work; Faith can never, ever be a Work. I said everything that is 'of' our righteousness is a Filthy-Rag...
 
Bob Carabbio

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ReverendRV said:
Is there such a thing as "Filthy-Rag faith?"
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Nope. Our "Good Deeds" are as Filthy Rags, and therefore useless for establishing "righteousness". Since Biblical FAITH (Heb 11:1, Rom 10:17, Mark 11:22-24) is invariably the result of God's WORD to us, it can't be anything but pure.
 
ReverendRV

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Bob Carabbio said:
Nope. Our "Good Deeds" are as Filthy Rags, and therefore useless for establishing "righteousness". Since Biblical FAITH (Heb 11:1, Rom 10:17, Mark 11:22-24) is invariably the result of God's WORD to us, it can't be anything but pure.
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Would you agree that the faith of a Muslim is a Filthy-Rag?
 
ReverendRV

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eternomade said:
If faith isn't from God it's self-righteousness. I understand what you are saying @ReverendRV . You are talking about false gospels I believe.
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Thanks. Sometimes these things take a while for some folks. Sometimes people never get there because there's too much at stake. Embracing Total Inability is the first step to embracing Total Depravity...
 
eternomade

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From the minute anyone is born, they have faith in something other than Christ. Only until God draws them and gives them faith to believe is when that filthy rag faith is replaced by genuine faith in the one true gospel. Faith is the instrument and Christ is the object.
 
Bob Carabbio

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ReverendRV said:
Would you agree that the faith of a Muslim is a Filthy-Rag?
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The word "Faith" is about as meaningless in 2021, as the word "Love". Anything that DOESN'T meet the specifications in Heb 11:1 isn't BIBLICAL FAITH at all. "Dead Faith" isn't a "Form of Faith" - it's just NOTHING.

If you remain true to Biblical definitions, "FIlthy Rags" pertains to "Deeds" - supposedly "richeous deeds" - which mean nothing.
 
ReverendRV

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Bob Carabbio said:
The word "Faith" is about as meaningless in 2021, as the word "Love". Anything that DOESN'T meet the specifications in Heb 11:1 isn't BIBLICAL FAITH at all. "Dead Faith" isn't a "Form of Faith" - it's just NOTHING.

If you remain true to Biblical definitions, "FIlthy Rags" pertains to "Deeds" - supposedly "richeous deeds" - which mean nothing.
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As an Assemblies of God, wouldn't you agree that the faith of a Satanist is a Filthy-Rag?
 
ReverendRV

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eternomade said:
From the minute anyone is born, they have faith in something other than Christ. Only until God draws them and gives them faith to believe is when that filthy rag faith is replaced by genuine faith in the one true gospel. Faith is the instrument and Christ is the object.
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Exactly!

One of my motives here is to use the notion of "Filthy-Rag Faith" and prove to non-Calvinists that Regeneration HAS to prevene their faith, or their faith is as filthy to God as a Hindu's faith is...
 
ReverendRV

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praise_yeshua said:
How can faith, which is not a work, be of our own righteousness?
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Because the Bible teaches that even the good things we do without our being clean is as a Filthy-Rag. My example of this is a child taking his father's grease-rag and polishing his mother's dining-room table. Everything we do without Grace is a Filthy-Rag; even our Graceless Faith is filthy...
 
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PeanutGallery

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One's faith is a Filthy-Rag if one thinks they will be justified because of their faith.
ReverendRV said:
Amen friend!

Faith which is 'of' themselves; a Graceless Faith...
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I think I should rephrase:
a) One's belief in Christ does not cause justification.
b) God justifies those who believe in Christ.
c) Faith is not irresistible gift.
 
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PeanutGallery said:
One's faith is a Filthy-Rag if one thinks they will be justified because of their faith.

I think I should rephrase:
a) One's belief in Christ does not cause justification.
b) God justifies those who believe in Christ.
c) Faith is not irresistible gift.
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A/B contradict one another

a- belief in Christ does not justify
b- God justifies those who believe

hello
 
ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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PeanutGallery said:
One's faith is a Filthy-Rag if one thinks they will be justified because of their faith.

I think I should rephrase:
a) One's belief in Christ does not cause justification.
b) God justifies those who believe in Christ.
c) Faith is not irresistible gift.
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Someone else can rabbit trail with you and change the topic of the OP, but I won't do it...
 
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