💡Filthy Rag faith...

ReverendRV

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I've tried to get you see Grace apart of what you're claiming Grace is in your scenario. You're not working with me... :)

God is Gracious in the Gospel. God is Gracious in give Jesus Christ for all of humanity. Such Grace has meaning and imparts value. I do not believe that what you're calling "Grace" is necessary. A person can respond to the Gospel. Such a response leads to the fulfillment of Grace in Salvation. There are plenty of areas to see Grace BEFORE what you demand is necessary.
Are you a Traditionalist? Because I have a point prepared for TomL if he shows up...
 

ReverendRV

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I know you believe in regeneration prior to faith. That is where I have the issue. I'm just logically and systematic establishing that I'm right.. :)
Yeah, that's where I'm going with this. If anyone's faith is before or without God's Grace, you agree that faith is a Filthy-Rag; right? My OP speaks about Grace as you understand it, so without Grace as you understand it, faith must be a Filthy-Rag...

Sooner or later, you will agree. It will hurt and you'll be mad, but you will agree...
 

praise_yeshua

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Are you a Traditionalist? Because I have a point prepared for TomL if he shows up...

No. Morality is meaningless without the Blood of Jesus Christ.

However, man can know of this through the Gospel. God's revelation can lead me to morality but faith removes any merit.
 

praise_yeshua

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Yeah, that's where I'm going with this. If anyone's faith is before or without God's Grace, you agree that faith is a Filthy-Rag; right? My OP speaks about Grace as you understand it, so without Grace as you understand it, faith must be a Filthy-Rag...

Sooner or later, you will agree. It will hurt and you'll be mad, but you will agree...

I appreciate the good will brother. I believe I'm irrevocably broken in your eyes there.... :)
 

praise_yeshua

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Faith is common to humanity, but it's either filthy or not...

I know you're trying to establish that fact but I believe you are wrong. Faith isn't relying upon your own efforts. Even the Muslim will tell you he can't have anything without Allah. The concept of saving faith is among them. They just have an issue with their idol. Thank God some Muslims have fully embraced Jesus Christ and abandoned Allah.
 

Bob Carabbio

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A Satanist can get faith from themselves; unless you're a Calvinist and believe Faith only comes from God
Romans 10:17 indicates where FAITH comes from. That ain't "Calvinist" - it just BIBLE.
As an Assembly of God, you don't think God looks at a Satanist's faith in Satan as filthy?
A "satanist's faith" isn't "Faith at all, filthy or otherwise. It's nothing more than Delusion.
I did say this Thread is going to hurt y'all...
But, in fact it hurt nothing.
 

PeanutGallery

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What do you mean? That is the confidence of a Christian that justification comes by faith, Can you explain?
Some think they are justified because they have faith that their faith causes God to justify. Our faith is a response, not something that forces God's hand.
As you stated, faith is confidence:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 

Sethproton

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Some think they are justified because they have faith that their faith causes God to justify. Our faith is a response, not something that forces God's hand.
As you stated, faith is confidence:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Do you mean that we cannot tell God, "I believe so you must give me righteousness"? Different from us understanding that God promises to count our faith as righteousness.
 

ReverendRV

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Faith is never the same as the Biblical concept of filthy rags.
I think you should look for a different metaphor, as that one is in conflict with the Bible
Our righteousness is as Filthy-Rags. Faith in anything before, or without Grace, is filthy to God...
 
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ReverendRV

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Righteousness is not faith.
The verse does not compare faith to filthy rags
It compares people's righteousness to filthy rags
I know better than to get into this with you, it's just a waste of Time. But know that I've gotten another Poster to understand where I'm coming from and agree we're close, so it's just a waste of time with YOU...

You do realize I don't have to talk to you, right?
 
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Sethproton

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I know better than to get into this with you, it's just a waste of Time. But know that I've gotten another Poster to understand where I'm coming from and agree we're close, so it's just a waste of time with YOU...

You do realize I don't have to talk to you, right?
BecauseI tell you the truth, I waste your time.
 

Bob Carabbio

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A Satanist can get faith from themselves; unless you're a Calvinist and believe Faith only comes from God
And since according to Rom 10:17, that's exactly WHERE Faith comes from, no problem.

All a satanist can generate is "BELIEF" - which has no substance, and is an evidence of nothing.
;) As an Assembly of God, you don't think God looks at a Satanist's faith in Satan as filthy?

I did say this Thread is going to hurt y'all...
God knows that a satanist's faith is "just another phony belief system" - not unlike Mormonism, Catholicism, or Jehovah Witness.

"Filthy Rags", applies to supposed "Works of righteousness" - not "FAITH".
 

ReverendRV

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And since according to Rom 10:17, that's exactly WHERE Faith comes from, no problem.

All a satanist can generate is "BELIEF" - which has no substance, and is an evidence of nothing.

God knows that a satanist's faith is "just another phony belief system" - not unlike Mormonism, Catholicism, or Jehovah Witness.

"Filthy Rags", applies to supposed "Works of righteousness" - not "FAITH".
So would you feel more comfortable saying that a Satanist's 'belief' is a Filthy-Rag?
 
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