💡Filthy Rag faith...

Bob Carabbio

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All of it. I need more please, because an Israelite without Christ has a Filthy-Rag Faith. Please, tell me you aren't saying that...
SImple!!! OLD Testament Israelites had faith in GOD'S PROMISED PROVISION of Salvation, but didn't really have a CLUE what that would actually be (although they did have the temple blood sacrifice as a clue). Only that He would do it. After death, they were apparently kept in a "Holding area" ("Abraham's bosom" according to Jesus) until the NEW COvenant was ratified in Jesus Blood, and they could be cleansed of their sin, and enter Heaven. Biblical FAITH, which is always revelatory from God begins with Conviction of SIN< and points to Calvary, where the NEW Covenant in Jesus BLOOD (His SIN OFFERING that actually CLEANSED instead of only "Hiding" sin for a season). EVERYBODY (Israelites and Gentiles) are "Without Christ" until they place their God-gifted FAITH in His SIN OFFERING to cleanse them. Israelites aren't any LESS Likely to have Faith in Jesus when He's presented to them under conviction of SIN, than any other false cult is.
 

ReverendRV

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SImple!!! OLD Testament Israelites had faith in GOD'S PROMISED PROVISION of Salvation, but didn't really have a CLUE what that would actually be (although they did have the temple blood sacrifice as a clue). Only that He would do it. After death, they were apparently kept in a "Holding area" ("Abraham's bosom" according to Jesus) until the NEW COvenant was ratified in Jesus Blood, and they could be cleansed of their sin, and enter Heaven. Biblical FAITH, which is always revelatory from God begins with Conviction of SIN< and points to Calvary, where the NEW Covenant in Jesus BLOOD (His SIN OFFERING that actually CLEANSED instead of only "Hiding" sin for a season). EVERYBODY (Israelites and Gentiles) are "Without Christ" until they place their God-gifted FAITH in His SIN OFFERING to cleanse them. Israelites aren't any LESS Likely to have Faith in Jesus when He's presented to them under conviction of SIN, than any other false cult is.
But their CE faith in the Old Covenant is as a Filthy-Rag; right?
 

Bob Carabbio

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But their CE faith in the Old Covenant is as a Filthy-Rag; right?
Before the New Covenant it was effective, Afterwards, no so much.

However the TERM "Filthy rags" (specifically menstruous cloths) NEVER applies to FAITH, only to supposed deeds of righteousness - which really weren't. You seem to have a "FIlthy rag" fixation.
 

ReverendRV

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Before the New Covenant it was effective, Afterwards, no so much.

However the TERM "Filthy rags" (specifically menstruous cloths) NEVER applies to FAITH, only to supposed deeds of righteousness - which really weren't. You seem to have a "FIlthy rag" fixation.
Now we're getting somewhere. Would a Jew think you're being anti-Semitic if you told them they can't have a God-Given Faith because they exclude Jesus? Is it true that by the definition of Faith, they DO have faith in YHWH? Is the Belief they have as Filthy a Rag as a Muslim's faith is? Because it is 'of' their Self-righteousness, right?


 
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Bob Carabbio

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Now we're getting somewhere. Would a Jew think you're being anti-Semitic if you told them they can't have a God-Given Faith because they exclude Jesus?
Of course they would Their whole religious system is built around Jesus being PHONY. Not "Antisemitic" in the NAZI sense, but when you're told that your "Precious Religious beliefs" will send you to HELL, they're not likely to respond favorably to that information.
Is it true that by the definition of Faith, they DO have faith in YHWH? Is the Belief they have as Filthy a Rag as a Muslim's faith is? Because it is 'of' their Self-righteousness, right?
Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 

ReverendRV

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Of course they would Their whole religious system is built around Jesus being PHONY. Not "Antisemitic" in the NAZI sense, but when you're told that your "Precious Religious beliefs" will send you to HELL, they're not likely to respond favorably to that information.

Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Fair enough, I think we understand one another. Another reason this can be painful is if someone were a Dispy who believes in the Two-People of God; the Christians and CE Israel. Their faith is a Filthy-Rag without the only name given under Heaven by which all Men must be Saved...
 
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