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No thanks I know them better than you . I don’t need your links since I know all the passages by heartThank you for this opportunity:
"Total Depravity" <-- click here!
"Unconditional Election" <-- click here!
"Limited Atonement" <-- click here!
"Irresistible Grace" <-- click here!
"Perseverance of the Saints" <-- click here!
Except total depravity is defined by Calvinists as including total inabilityThank you for this opportunity:
"Total Depravity" <-- click here!
"Unconditional Election" <-- click here!
"Limited Atonement" <-- click here!
"Irresistible Grace" <-- click here!
"Perseverance of the Saints" <-- click here!
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Yes the fatalism of total inability another man made heresy from augustine via the gnostics , plato, pagansExcept total depravity is defined by Calvinists as including total inability
refuted here
Matthew 13:20–21 (ESV) — 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.
Men were hardened to prevent believe
John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”
had men not hardened themselves in time they could have believed
Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”
Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their understanding
Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”
Don't forget the ManicheansYes the fatalism of total inability another man made heresy from augustine via the gnostics , plato, pagans
Yes a gnostic branchDon't forget the Manicheans
It was Augustine's previous stopYes a gnostic branch
These are the questions I have about the Calvinist faith. There's no rush in answering them:@Synergy when one believes in an angry unloving god you become just like the false god you believe in , it’s part of that systematic, I was once that way myself filled with arrogance , pride and unloving towards those who disagreed, mocking them with ad hominems.
I have since publicly apologized to those non Calvinists I treated that way for years . I PM them , emailed and made it public on this forum in threads . I now have a target on me from the C’s because I know their false doctrines better then most all of them and expose them . So I’m treated with disdain now . But I’m good with that since they have no choice to do otherwise .
That is so very very true. We are all images of the God we worship and His attributes always reflect off of us. A perfect case in point is the example here:@Synergy when one believes in an angry unloving god you become just like the false god you believe in , it’s part of that systematic, I was once that way myself filled with arrogance , pride and unloving towards those who disagreed, mocking them with ad hominems.
Fatalism indeedYes isn’t that what the WCF teaches .
Right back at you fatalist.Fatalism indeed
Not impersonal but fatalism nevertheless
Sorry the definition does not fit meRight back at you fatalist.
If determinism equals fatalism your a fatalist.Sorry the definition does not fit me
fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
NOUN
- the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable:
Is tu quoque, denial, and altering texts all you have
Source?Yes it’s one in the same
Only when it encompasses all eventsIf determinism equals fatalism your a fatalist.
Who says "ONLY when it encompasses all events" ?Only when it encompasses all events
you know that phrase you desire to just ignore because it limits the title fatalist to your theology alone
Unless God determines nothing, then so are youYes they are fatalists by definition. Thank you ?
Who says "ONLY when it encompasses all events" ?
If fatalism is defined as you woukd like to then anything that is determined is fatalism
YOUR A FATALIST