10 passages which allegedly prophesied future events but closer scrutiny reveals them as fulfilled

Tonyg

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e v e

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I cannot access the file but I requested access from you via Google docs.

I can tell you now, just from the OP title, that while the 10 passages may show that an aspect of each passage may reflect a corollary event played out here on this current earth (which some take to mean the events are said and done), that prophets chapters almost always have a transcendent context happening in the other world (past, present, future - which most scholars ignore in dry pompous tones while feigning kindness). And those events in the other world are the main context and have not happened yet - being what He tells us regarding Revelation.

I am not open to a reading of scripture that relegates events to the past. Neither were the ancients who understood even better than moderns do. Why would God waste His time that way and such reading lends itself to just the issue of leaving the text prey to the dried up historians I mentioned (being pharisees), who deny the text is more than just a human text and deny that the text has to do with us who are His Souls, and that His Words, are urgently true and important right now.
 
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Tonyg

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I can tell you now, just from the OP title, that while the 10 passages may show that an aspect of each passage may reflect a corollary event played out here on this current earth (which some take to mean the events are said and done), that prophets chapters almost always have a transcendent context happening in the other world (past, present, future - which most scholars ignore in dry pompous tones while feigning kindness).
I would agree that many prophecies from the Old testament had physical fulfillments and also spiritual fulfillment which continue. When the prophecy spoke of the latter and violent ends of the Mosaic covenant nation and people I believe those were fulfilled in the first century. When the prophecy spoke of the glory and attributes of the New covenant peoples then those prophecies were also fulfilled in the first century but continue continuously. A quick example is second Samuel 7: 12-16 or so where it talks of the Davidic Kingdom being forever. We understand David as a type of Christ and Solomon as a type of believer's in christ. There's actually a representation of the Trinity or as I like to say tri-unity if we include Jesse as the imagery of the unseen father. David is the son and Solomon represents the holy Spirit of Jesus indwelling and continuing in believers. Revelation 22:16 says I am the root and The offspring of david, the bright and The morning Star (inaugurating the new day)
 

Tonyg

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From this response, it seems that your replies will be to interject your present futurist perspectives into the text rather than reading and defeating the opinion presented.

For instance we understand that the 40 establishment of the Mosaic national covenant from the time of leaving Egypt at Passover two crossing of the Jordan was part of the pattern and antithesis which Moses was given to negatively image the time of the coming coming of the establishment of the New covenant Nation. This is evident and explained in Hebrews when the writer brings out the idea that the Mosaic covenant was a pattern emphasis on pattern. It's also evident in Jeremiah chapter 31 where the profit explains that the New covenant would be dissimilar too or not like the one made when they were led by the hand out of Egypt he then goes on to give some characteristics comparing the old Mosaic covenant and the New covenant by Jesus the point is that there is a 40-year time frame that was outlined to set up the Jose covenant nation. So also the feast and festivals or times and seasons commemorating the events while setting up the Mosaic nation and it's covenant would be dissolved and replaced by a 40-year time frame while in the process of setting up and confirming the nation of the New covenant IE the Christians from Passover by Jesus through their leaving Jordan to the capitalist in the late sixties ad.

It is this association to the old covenant meanings of the words times and seasons which I am presenting. If a person simply reads the words in 20th century English or even in first century Greek without the context of those disciples being in the last generation of the national covenant and being all national participants, the association to times and seasons of the old covenant calendar will be overlooked.
 

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I would agree that many prophecies from the Old testament had physical fulfillments and also spiritual fulfillment which continue. When the prophecy spoke of the latter and violent ends of the Mosaic covenant nation and people I believe those were fulfilled in the first century. When the prophecy spoke of the glory and attributes of the New covenant peoples then those prophecies were also fulfilled in the first century but continue continuously. A quick example is second Samuel 7: 12-16 or so where it talks of the Davidic Kingdom being forever. We understand David as a type of Christ and Solomon as a type of believer's in christ. There's actually a representation of the Trinity or as I like to say tri-unity if we include Jesse as the imagery of the unseen father. David is the son and Solomon represents the holy Spirit of Jesus indwelling and continuing in believers. Revelation 22:16 says I am the root and The offspring of david, the bright and The morning Star (inaugurating the new day)
I understand each is a being. He, christ and His spirit: Three gorgeous beings.

And that the cosmology changed by the fall will be restored as per prophets at the Change when the 144k go Home and help Him rebuild eden as often referred to as new jerusalem. David represents the 144k sons of Him.

The new day is when eden returns.

Eden nature, which is not of this earth, restored.
 

e v e

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From this response, it seems that your replies will be to interject your present futurist perspectives into the text rather than reading and defeating the opinion presented.

For instance we understand that the 40 establishment of the Mosaic national covenant from the time of leaving Egypt at Passover two crossing of the Jordan was part of the pattern and antithesis which Moses was given to negatively image the time of the coming coming of the establishment of the New covenant Nation. This is evident and explained in Hebrews when the writer brings out the idea that the Mosaic covenant was a pattern emphasis on pattern. It's also evident in Jeremiah chapter 31 where the profit explains that the New covenant would be dissimilar too or not like the one made when they were led by the hand out of Egypt he then goes on to give some characteristics comparing the old Mosaic covenant and the New covenant by Jesus the point is that there is a 40-year time frame that was outlined to set up the Jose covenant nation. So also the feast and festivals or times and seasons commemorating the events while setting up the Mosaic nation and it's covenant would be dissolved and replaced by a 40-year time frame while in the process of setting up and confirming the nation of the New covenant IE the Christians from Passover by Jesus through their leaving Jordan to the capitalist in the late sixties ad.

It is this association to the old covenant meanings of the words times and seasons which I am presenting. If a person simply reads the words in 20th century English or even in first century Greek without the context of those disciples being in the last generation of the national covenant and being all national participants, the association to times and seasons of the old covenant calendar will be overlooked.
the festivals and times etc. are playing out events of the fall (and a previous time) and as well a time to come. Just as a birthday plays out your birth, in a past time, plus future expectations. The playout is not equivalent to the event.
 

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I’m a literal reader (but not two dimensionally so). And I do see an event indicated all through scripture which hasn’t yet happened.
 
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