10 reasons why the Bible can be trusted

[The Pixie]

Oh, I absolutely ADORE my agnostic neighbor. And he's a Georgia fan, while I'm a Tech grad. But we both own lawn tools and share them with one another.

Right, so you go for the most literal interpretation of scripture, to avoid doing what God actually wanted.

Hmm, just like those Pharisees he railed against.

I already pointed out your blunder in thinking He said to sell ALL possessions. Why are you bringing attention to that blunder?

Well, you asserted your wishful thinking as though it is fact...

Then why did you fail so miserably to show one?

Do not be so modest, stiggy, you are the one who found it!

They had NETS!!

When they returned to their families, they used the nets owned by their families.

Yep. And .............? They didn't give them away. They SHARED them. Did you mean to refute yourself?

They gave away all they could, keeping the bare minimum to live on in a shared fund.

Is that what you do? No.

I get it. I would not want to give away all my stuff either. So of course you make up excuses, you twist Jesus words, you pretend it does not really apply to you. And that is great! Seriously.

Because every Christian who ignores Jesus' instructions is just another reason for non-Christians to ignore what Jesus said.

 

[stiggy wiggy]

Right, so you go for the most literal interpretation of scripture,

Yep. Always.

to avoid doing what God actually wanted.

He told YOU, an atheist, what he wants me to do? And what was that?

Well, you asserted your wishful thinking as though it is fact...

As though what were a fact? Getting all confused and hornswaggled again?

Do not be so modest, stiggy, you are the one who found it!

Found what? You have no idea, do you?

When they returned to their families, they used the nets owned by their families.

Where are you seeing this? Chapter and verse, please.

They gave away all they could, keeping the bare minimum to live on in a shared fund.

I'm not finding that in my Bible. Chapter and verse, please.

I get it. I would not want to give away all my stuff either.

So they DIDN'T give it all away? Flippety-flop, flippety-flop.

So of course you make up excuses, you twist Jesus words, you pretend it does not really apply to you.

Nope. All of Jesus' words apply to me. That's why you failed so miserably to show one quote from me indicating that a single command of Jesus does not apply to me.

And that is great! Seriously.

Because every Christian who ignores Jesus' instructions is just another reason for non-Christians to ignore what Jesus said.

Yeah, see how that excuse holds up at the Final Judgement.

"But but Jesus. I don't think stiggy wiggy followed your 'instructions', so why should I?"

 

[Lucian]

Because every Christian who ignores Jesus' instructions is just another reason for non-Christians to ignore what Jesus said.

But that's transparently no reason for that at all.

Even if it were, I doubt it would amount to a reason for you, since you would never care about what Jesus said in the first place.

 

[Algor]

Right, so you go for the most literal interpretation of scripture, to avoid doing what God actually wanted.

Hmm, just like those Pharisees he railed against.


Well, you asserted your wishful thinking as though it is fact...


Do not be so modest, stiggy, you are the one who found it!


When they returned to their families, they used the nets owned by their families.


They gave away all they could, keeping the bare minimum to live on in a shared fund.

Is that what you do? No.

I get it. I would not want to give away all my stuff either. So of course you make up excuses, you twist Jesus words, you pretend it does not really apply to you. And that is great! Seriously.

Because every Christian who ignores Jesus' instructions is just another reason for non-Christians to ignore what Jesus said.

What is the point of an atheist telling a Christian what Christian doctrine should be?
It smacks of the whole: "You, as an atheist, are therefore of necessity a nihilist." schtick.

 

[The Pixie]

What is the point of an atheist telling a Christian what Christian doctrine should be?
It smacks of the whole: "You, as an atheist, are therefore of necessity a nihilist." schtick.

Because there is a disconnect between what Jesus said and what that Christian doctrine is.

Christians routinely tell us to do as Jesus told us, and specifically in this thread SteveB said: "The most effective way to know if what the Bible says is true is to do what Jesus says." I am saying that if Christians are going to ignore what Jesus said, or at least those bits they do not like, they should not expect non-Christians to pay any attention.

 

[stiggy wiggy]

Because there is a disconnect between what Jesus said and what that Christian doctrine is.

Christians routinely tell us to do as Jesus told us, and specifically in this thread SteveB said: "The most effective way to know if what the Bible says is true is to do what Jesus says." I am saying that if Christians are going to ignore what Jesus said, or at least those bits they do not like, they should not expect non-Christians to pay any attention.

Two big problems:

1. You don't seem to be able to identify specifically what commands of Jesus Christians are not following.

2. Even if you could, you can't seem to tell us what the hell it has to do with you.

 

[Algor]

Because there is a disconnect between what Jesus said and what that Christian doctrine is.

So?

Christians routinely tell us to do as Jesus told us, and specifically in this thread SteveB said: "The most effective way to know if what the Bible says is true is to do what Jesus says." I am saying that if Christians are going to ignore what Jesus said, or at least those bits they do not like, they should not expect non-Christians to pay any attention.

Hm? Any reasonably complex ethos requires the weighing of conflicting imperatives against each other, and resolving those conflicts in a practical and healthy way. That's a good chunk of what a religion IS, a set of narratives that outline the ethical imperatives and the cultural apparatus for resolving conflicts between those imperatives.

 

[SteveB]

Two big problems:

1. You don't seem to be able to identify specifically what commands of Jesus Christians are not following.

He seems pretty convinced and confident, saying that I never sold all my belongings and gave the money to the poor.
And considering he's doing so from ~6000 miles away, I'd say that the best he has is his arrogance and lack of awareness.

2. Even if you could, you can't seem to tell us what the hell it has to do with you.

🤔

 

[SteveB]

Because there is a disconnect between what Jesus said and what that Christian doctrine is.

Why don't you develop a list of these things.

Christians routinely tell us to do as Jesus told us, and specifically in this thread SteveB said: "The most effective way to know if what the Bible says is true is to do what Jesus says."

Actually, I've used what Jesus said to make this statement, and I've been saying it, on this forum, dating back to 2013-- a few months after my arrival here.

Joh 14:23 WEB Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.


I recognize that your beliefs are preventing you from learning, understanding and experiencing Truth, but continuing to make things up only result in your own loss of reasoning and clarity of thought.

I am saying that if Christians are going to ignore what Jesus said, or at least those bits they do not like, they should not expect non-Christians to pay any attention.

What is it that we who follow Jesus are ignoring?

Your opinions on what Jesus said? Because if that's the case, then we're not in fact ignoring what Jesus said. We're ignoring your opinions on what Jesus said. And as such, it seems pretty clear that your irritation is that we're not following you.

Which begs the question of

Who died and made you God?

 

[Whatsisface]

Actually, I've used what Jesus said to make this statement, and I've been saying it, on this forum, dating back to 2013-- a few months after my arrival here.

Joh 14:23 WEB Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

And people have been pointing out the flaw in this since you've been saying it. Being, in order to know jesus is real you have to think He's real in the first place.

 

[Furion]

... they should not expect non-Christians to pay any attention.

Actually you constantly bleating you pay no attention already, so there is that.

Those who do hear and love Him is all that is necessary.

Your atheist apologia is just you, paying no attention but bleating anyway.

 

[SteveB]

And people have been pointing out the flaw in this since you've been saying it. Being, in order to know jesus is real you have to think He's real in the first place.

Ah, I see the fall guy has arrived.
I'm curious.... do they always send you out as the last resort?

It seems you always show up when all else fails, and they no longer have any valid reasons for justifying their ignorance and dedication to deliberate and willful ignorance.

Why you continue to dedicate yourself to this insanity is beyond comprehension. It's clear you lack experience, common sense and the ability to reason.

I realize that you feel far more superior about your unbelief than I describe it as. But then, you've always failed so catastrophically when it comes to answering the simplest questions.

I read a rather interesting quote this morning.

The longer you shut God out of your life, the greater the loss of common sense you experience.

If you simply don't want to know the Truth, then go live your life. Denying the Truth only endangers your life.

 

[Whatsisface]

Ah, I see the fall guy has arrived.
I'm curious.... do they always send you out as the last resort?

An ad hominem doesn't address the point. But then you never do.

Why you continue to dedicate yourself to this insanity is beyond comprehension. It's clear you lack experience, common sense and the ability to reason.

This doesn't address the point. But then, you never do.

I realize that you feel far more superior about your unbelief than I describe it as. But then, you've always failed so catastrophically when it comes to answering the simplest questions.

Huh? I neither feel superior nor inferior. Your ridiculous attempts at mind reading just shows how out of touch you are.

I read a rather interesting quote this morning.

The longer you shut God out of your life, the greater the loss of common sense you experience.

If you simply don't want to know the Truth, then go live your life. Denying the Truth only endangers your life.

This doesn't address the point. But then, you never do.

 

[SteveB]

An ad hominem doesn't address the point. But then you never do.

Really?
Then you should change your practices. Because you never actually engage in learning. You only show up when you're told by your handlers, and only to be a discussion killer.

This doesn't address the point. But then, you never do.

You have no point.

Huh? I neither feel superior nor inferior.

i ceased believing that years ago.

Your ridiculous attempts at mind reading just shows how out of touch you are.

no need to read minds.

This doesn't address the point. But then, you never do.

You ceased making points years ago.

 

[Whatsisface]

Really?

Yes.

Then you should change your practices. Because you never actually engage in learning. You only show up when you're told by your handlers, and only to be a discussion killer.

You have no point.

i ceased believing that years ago.

no need to read minds.


You ceased making points years ago.

This doesn't address anything, but then, you never do.

 

[SteveB]

Yes.

This doesn't address anything, but then, you never do.

You ceased posting anything that requires addressing years ago.

 

[Whatsisface]

You ceased posting anything that requires addressing years ago.

Here's the point you haven't addressed ...

And people have been pointing out the flaw in this since you've been saying it. Being, in order to know jesus is real you have to think He's real in the first place.

Do you understand this? You don't seem to.

A lot of people have said this to you, so obvious is the flaw in your instruction. Well, to all but you.

 

[Howie]

Here's the point you haven't addressed ...

And people have been pointing out the flaw in this since you've been saying it. Being, in order to know jesus is real you have to think He's real in the first place.

Do you understand this? You don't seem to.

A lot of people have said this to you, so obvious is the flaw in your instruction. Well, to all but you.

History has proven Jesus is real; therefore, you must believe that.

Now what?

 

[Whatsisface]

History has proven Jesus is real; therefore, you must believe that.

Ah, you misunderstand, and I wasn't entirely clear. By real I mean He is the Son of God. I agree that Jesus actually existed.

 

[SteveB]

Here's the point you haven't addressed ...

Actually, it's been addressed, dozens of times before.
You simply don't like it.

And people have been pointing out the flaw in this since you've been saying it. Being, in order to know jesus is real you have to think He's real in the first place.

I never said that you have to believe he's real beforehand. I quoted what Jesus said...

Joh 14:23 WEB Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

Do you understand this? You don't seem to.

you obviously don't.
You keep twisting what I've stated to fit your own biases and preconceptions.
Stop it!

A lot of people have said this to you, so obvious is the flaw in your instruction. Well, to all but you.

Not a flaw in my instruction.
It's a flaw in your beliefs about what Jesus said.

I've explained to you several hundred times before.... I had no idea if he was real or not.
I asked him!

Are you for real? Is this Jesus stuff I'm hearing about for real? Or just another pile of religious BS?

Apparently, in your mind, it's not possible to ask questions about things you know nothing about! In your mind, it's first necessary to believe something extraordinary that you're already aware of before you're allowed to ask about it.


To me that's a recipe for continued ignorance.

I didn't know, so I asked.