10 reasons why the Bible can be trusted

Given that stiggy is a Christian, then presumably stiggy should be interpreting scripture according to what God intended the scripture to mean. If you are saying that stiggy's interpretation is the opposite of what God intended, then you are telling a Christian the appropriate interpretation."
Seems simple enough, I would think even a high schooler could understand.
 
One to a rich young ruler, another to the Church.

CONTEXT
What's the context of Luke 12:33?

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
What's the context of Luke 12:33?

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Don't be greedy, but give aid to the needy. That is the true treasure.

Can you cite a verse in Scripture, from Jesus, or anyone else, for one to neglect caring for one's family?

Lk 6:38 ... Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
 
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What's the context of Luke 12:33?

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Yeah, and ..........?
 
It's just incredible that you would say this yet again as if it would have any impact on an atheist.
that you think you're going to escape culpability for you life is what's amazing.

Try to think, atheists really don't think that there is an eternity, and you offer no good reason to think there is.
which just tells me that you believe that as long as you don't think something is true, it can't happen.

So, I'll simply state,
That last step will be a doozie.
I keep reading that's it's a bottomless pit. Of course, you're far too intelligent to think anything like this could actually exist, so you'll just blow it off as immaterial.


Original: ἄβυσσος

Transliteration: abussos

Phonetic: ab'-us-sos

Thayer Definition:

bottomless
unbounded
the abyss
the pit
the immeasurable depth
of Orcus, a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth used as the common receptacle of the dead and especially as the abode of demons
Origin: from G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037

TDNT entry: 01:09,2

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: From G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; depthless, that is, (specifically), (infernal) " abyss" : - deep, (bottomless) pit.

Total KJV Occurrences: 9

the deep (2)
Luk 8:31; Rom 10:7 2

of the bottomless (1)
Rev 9:1

the bottomless (1)
Rev 9:2

of the bottomless pit (2)
Rev 9:11; Rev 20:1 2

the bottomless pit (3)
Rev 11:7; Rev 17:8; Rev 20:3




It also doesn't reply to the point in my post, instead it tacitly admits you don't have an answer.
I have plenty of answers.
you however ceased having any points several years ago.
So, why would your pointlessness be pointed at this point in time?
To get what I want as you say I would obviously have to think it exists, which as you should know I don't, so again it's not a very well thought out thing for you to say.
Nope.
Since you don't want to know, you'll know what you're not interested in knowing, because you don't believe the truth.

Rev 21:8 OGNT
Τοῖς Tois tiys the
δὲ de ðe but
δειλοῖς deilois ðiyliys timid
καὶ kai ke and
ἀπίστοις apistois apiystiys unbelieving
καὶ kai ke and
ἐβδελυγμένοις ebdelygmenois evðeliygmeniys to abhor
καὶ kai ke and
φονεῦσιν phoneusin fonefsiyn murderer
καὶ kai ke and
πόρνοις pornois porniys sexual sinner
καὶ kai ke and
φαρμάκοις pharmakois farmakiys sorcerer καὶ kai ke and
εἰδωλολάτραις eidōlolatrais iyðololatres idolater
καὶ kai ke and
πᾶσιν pasin pasiyn all
τοῖς tois tiys who
ψευδέσιν pseudesin psevðesiyn false
τὸ to to the
μέρος meros meros part
αὐτῶν autōn afton of them
ἐν en en in
τῇ tē tiy the
λίμνῃ limnē liymniy lake
τῇ tē tiy the
καιομένῃ kaiomenē keomeniy burns
πυρὶ pyri piyriy fire
καὶ kai ke and
θείῳ theiō θiyo sulfur,
ho o which
ἐστιν estin estiyn is
ho o the
θάνατος thanatos θanatos death
ho o the
δεύτερος deuteros ðefteros secondly.

Rev 21:8 WEB But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”


What I find curious is that YHVH himself warns us.

If our unbelief made these irrelevant, why would he warn us?
there's no point.

so, you keep telling yourself that you'll be able to ignore it, just because you don't actually believe it's really going to happen.
 
that you think you're going to escape culpability for you life is what's amazing.
No, what's amazing is how shockingly little self awareness you possess!

You believe that you deserve to be burned and tortured forever
You believe that Jesus died on the cross so that those who turn to Him may escape their just dessert
You believe that you will receive an eternity of bliss by virtue of having turned to Jesus

The entirety of your existence as a Christian absolutely SCREAMS escape of culpability / rejection of personal responsibility
 
No, what's amazing is how shockingly little self awareness you possess!

You believe that you deserve to be burned and tortured forever
You believe that Jesus died on the cross so that those who turn to Him may escape their just dessert
You believe that you will receive an eternity of bliss by virtue of having turned to Jesus

The entirety of your existence as a Christian absolutely SCREAMS escape of culpability / rejection of personal responsibility
You're still fighting against something you don't rightly understand.

FYI, Christ is the way of escape for the guilt and penalty of sin.
 
You're still fighting against something you don't rightly understand.

FYI, Christ is the way of escape for the guilt and penalty of sin.
FYI, that is EXACTLY what I said, Howie - Christ IS, indeed, the way of escape for guilt and penalty of sin

YOU sin
YOU deserve guilt
YOU deserve penalty
Christ, on your behalf, suffered it for you

This is, by definition, an escape of culpability and a rejection of personal responsibility

One who accepts culpability takes what is coming
One who endorses personal responsibility takes what has been incurred
 
FYI, that is EXACTLY what I said, Howie - Christ IS, indeed, the way of escape for guilt and penalty of sin
Yes.

YOU sin
YOU deserve guilt
YOU deserve penalty
Christ, on your behalf, suffered it for you
Yes.

This is, by definition, an escape of culpability and a rejection of personal responsibility
Debt forgiveness.

One who accepts culpability takes what is coming
That'a what you'll be doing.

One who endorses personal responsibility takes what has been incurred
There you go. Your "virtue" will result in your eternal condemnation

Enjoy yourself
 
There you go. Your "virtue" will result in your eternal condemnation
Enjoy yourself
And I'm fine with that

I value my integrity over my eternity
Much like what one would expect of a genuine god...


And, as it turns out, I DO understand and SteveB IS without self awareness when he accuses others and criticizes them for supposedly doing the very thing that he, himself, is doing - i.e. escaping culpability / rejecting personal responsibility
 
No, what's amazing is how shockingly little self awareness you possess!
And what self-awareness do you believe I'm lacking?
That apart from Jesus, I'm headed to the lake of fire too?
Nope.
I'm acutely aware of this situation.
my ignoring it won't make go away.
but, for me it's even worse.

Jesus said in Luke 12,

Luk 12:45-48 WEB 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My lord delays his coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and to be drunken, 46 then the lord of that servant will come in a day when he isn’t expecting him and in an hour that he doesn’t know, and will cut him in two, and place his portion with the unfaithful. 47 That servant who knew his lord’s will, and didn’t prepare nor do what he wanted, will be beaten with many stripes, 48 but he who didn’t know, and did things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few stripes. To whomever much is given, of him will much be required; and to whom much was entrusted, of him more will be asked.

So.... lack of self-awareness?
you're welcome to explain what self-awareness I'm lacking here, and why.
The difference here is that I'm aware of my state, and daily seek to learn and obey Jesus.
He's the one who said
Mat 7:21-27 WEB 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’ 23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’ 24 “Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock. 25 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it didn’t fall, for it was founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and doesn’t do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell—and its fall was great.”
Those who do the Will of God in heaven will be welcome to heaven upon their death.
so, I'll continue on with Jesus.
You believe that you deserve to be burned and tortured forever
that is the consequence of sin.
First death is separation from God because of sin.
Eph 2:1 WEB You were made alive when you were dead in transgressions and sins,

only being born from above, or born again, spiritually, through faith in Jesus will make it possible to escape the consequences for my sin.
You believe that Jesus died on the cross so that those who turn to Him may escape their just dessert
that is what Jesus said.
Joh 3:16-21 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”
You believe that you will receive an eternity of bliss by virtue of having turned to Jesus

That is what Jesus said.
Joh 3:16-21 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.


19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”


The entirety of your existence as a Christian absolutely SCREAMS escape of culpability / rejection of personal responsibility
Sounds like you resent God's love for you.
Joh 3:16-21 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and doesn’t come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God.”


Eph 2:4-10 WEB 4 But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus; 8 for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, that no one would boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.


Quite frankly, I think it's the epitome of idiocy to reject so great a love, and mercy, and grace as this.


If you actually need to destroy yourself, you have an exceedingly great amount of self-hatred, and contempt for yourself and your fellow humans to loathe this.
 
And I'm fine with that
I know.

I value my integrity over my eternity
Much like what one would expect of a genuine god...
And you enjoy pain endured with great joy, right?

And, as it turns out, I DO understand and SteveB IS without self awareness when he accuses others and criticizes them for supposedly doing the very thing that he, himself, is doing - i.e. escaping culpability / rejecting personal responsibility
You don't understand, treeplanter.
 
I know.


And you enjoy pain endured with great joy, right?


You don't understand, treeplanter.
It’s not reconcilable to reality so it’s not worth understanding in that context. It’s nonsense.

It can be understood in and of itself... but then so does a Great Turtle God that drown and made Mackinaw Island. It explains the shape of the island just fine.
 
And what self-awareness do you believe I'm lacking?
You accused WiF of thinking that he is going to escape culpability for his life when it is, in fact, YOU who thinks that YOU are going to escape culpability for YOUR life {via Jesus}

Implicit in your accusation is a criticism
A criticism of rejection of personal responsibility

Of course, rejecting personal responsibility SHOULD BE criticized

Only problem is that it's YOU who rejects personal responsibility - not WiF!

If you actually need to destroy yourself, you have an exceedingly great amount of self-hatred, and contempt for yourself and your fellow humans to loathe this.
Wrong again, Steve

It's actually an exceedingly great amount of self-love and respect for humanity that leads me to value integrity over eternity
 
Sure I am
No. God has commanded everyone should repent of their sin and believe. That's the right thing to do. Acts 17:30


I reject, as immoral, the conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm upon others
Then you ought to be embracing God. He is a God of purpose, not a God of needlessness.

Even if and when it lands me in Hell
See? You truly don't know what you're talking about, as I've been saying for years.
 
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