15+ Dead In Texas School Shooting; 18-y.o. student Salvador Ramos Identified As Shooter

Gondwanaland

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Very disturbing. Happened in a town 85 miles west of San Antonio. Apparently the shooter (a high schooler who went to the elementary school to shoot it up) killed his grandmother before going to the school and shooting. He is now dead (I don't believe he is included in the number) after a gunfight with police.

Sounds like he had a handgun and possibly used a rifle as well.

14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting, Texas governor says: LIVE​

The suspect was identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, a student at Uvalde High School.

Fourteen students and a teacher are dead after a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, according to Gov. Greg Abbott.

The 18-year-old suspect, a student at Uvalde High School, is also dead, he said.

"He shot and killed horrifically and incomprehensibly 14 students and killed a teacher," Abbott said during an unrelated press briefing.

The suspect also allegedly shot his grandmother before entering the school and again opening fire, Abbott said. He did not say anything further about her condition.

Abbott said the shooter -- identified by law enforcement sources and the governor as Salvador Ramos -- had a handgun and also possibly a rifle.

"When parents drop their kids off at school, they have every expectation to know that they're going to be able to pick their child up when that school day ends. And there are families who are in mourning right now," Abbott said. "The state of Texas is in mourning with them for the reality that these parents are not going to be able to pick up their children."

Two responding police officers were among those injured, Abbott said. They are expected to survive, he said.


Uvalde Memorial Hospital had said 15 students were being treated in the hospital's emergency department in the wake of the incident. Two patients were transferred to San Antonio for treatment, while a third was pending transfer, the hospital said. A 45-year-old was also hospitalized after getting grazed by a bullet, the hospital said.

University Health in San Antonio said it had two patients from the shooting incident -- a 66-year-old woman and a 10-year-old girl -- both in critical condition.

Two adult victims of the school shooting are being treated at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, according to an Army official, who did not have an update on their conditions.

A number of the shooting victims are children of Customs and Border Patrol agents, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin did not confirm casualties, but told ABC News in a text message that "this is a very bad situation." He said the office is trying to contact parents before releasing any information.

Earlier, the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District had said a shooter was located at Robb Elementary School and asked people to stay away from the area.

"There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary," the school district said on Twitter. "Law enforcement is on site. Your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. As soon as more information is gathered it will be shared."

A school official initially told ABC News that the shooting took place off campus, and that Robb Elementary School was under lockdown.

The shooting occurred shortly after 11:30 a.m. local time, police said.

The school, which has students in the second, third and fourth grades, informed parents shortly after 2 p.m. that students had been transported to the Sgt. Willie Deleon Civic Center, the reunification site, and could be picked up.

Parent Ryan Ramirez told San Antonio ABC affiliate KSAT he had gone to the civic center and the elementary school trying to find his fourth grade daughter in the wake of the shooting.

"[I'm] just confused and worried. I'm trying to find out where my baby's at," he told the station.

Uvalde, Texas, is located about 90 minutes west of San Antonio.

The Bexar County Sheriff's Office and San Antonio Police Department are sending aid, and the FBI is responding.

The Houston Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives also said it is assisting in the investigation.

Takes a lot of evil to go shoot up 2-4th graders. Takes a real special sort of evil to go do it after you murdered your own grandmother. Sadly someone this filled with evil and hatred (and likely mental issues) is going to figure out a way to take out his rage on the world, no matter what.

Also, apparently many of the victims are kids of Border Patrol agents, which could potentially be a coincidence or perhaps could be something of a motive (given the shooter's ethnicity), we'll have to see.
 

Nedsk

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Very disturbing. Happened in a town 85 miles west of San Antonio. Apparently the shooter (a high schooler who went to the elementary school to shoot it up) killed his grandmother before going to the school and shooting. He is now dead (I don't believe he is included in the number) after a gunfight with police.

Sounds like he had a handgun and possibly used a rifle as well.


Takes a lot of evil to go shoot up 2-4th graders. Takes a real special sort of evil to go do it after you murdered your own grandmother. Sadly someone this filled with evil and hatred (and likely mental issues) is going to figure out a way to take out his rage on the world, no matter what.

Also, apparently many of the victims are kids of Border Patrol agents, which could potentially be a coincidence or perhaps could be something of a motive (given the shooter's ethnicity), we'll have to see.
It's a horrible horrible tragedy. I pray for those children and their families.
 

vibise

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Newest reports say 18 students dead (3rd and 4th graders), 1 teacher, several in critical condition including the grandmother.

The shooter purchased 2 assault weapons on his 18th birthday.

Why should an 18 year old be able to purchase such deadly weapons.

Actually, who needs to own such weapons?
 

vibise

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It's a horrible horrible tragedy. I pray for those children and their families.
yes, we all pray for them, but prayers will not stop the carnage. We need legislation.
We need to stop the proliferation of ever more powerful weapons sold with little to no oversight to people with no reason to own such deadly weapons.
 

Nedsk

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Newest reports say 18 students dead (3rd and 4th graders), 1 teacher, several in critical condition including the grandmother.

The shooter purchased 2 assault weapons on his 18th birthday.

Why should an 18 year old be able to purchase such deadly weapons.

Actually, who needs to own such weapons?
It's a horrific tragedy but owning guns is legal.
 

Nedsk

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yes, we all pray for them, but prayers will not stop the carnage. We need legislation.
We need to stop the proliferation of ever more powerful weapons sold with little to no oversight to people with no reason to own such deadly weapons.
What legislation would have prevented this? Please be specific.
 

vibise

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You just cant give a rats behind about the dead can you
I am beside myself with anguish over those dead children.
Killed senselessly by someone with access to deadly weapons.
Why do people need those weapons?
Why are they sold to anyone and everyone?
To profit the gun industry and the legislators they buy.
 

Nedsk

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Please. thoughts and prayers. Useless.
We need action, and legislation with teeth.
Which legislation would have prevented this. I've noticed we hear the same thing from gun haters every time this happens but never an answer. God is needed
 

Nedsk

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I am beside myself with anguish over those dead children.
Killed senselessly by someone with access to deadly weapons.
Why do people need those weapons?
Why are they sold to anyone and everyone?
To profit the gun industry and the legislators they buy.
The whining is no more useful than the prayers you ridiculed.
 

vibise

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It's a horrific tragedy but owning guns is legal.
And do you think the deaths of innocent children is worth making gun ownership legal, just to allow people to pretend to be Rambo, or to feed their irrational fears of marauding home invaders or their treasonous goal of bringing down the federal govt?
 

Nedsk

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And do you think the deaths of innocent children is worth making gun ownership legal, just to allow people to pretend to be Rambo, or to feed their irrational fears of marauding home invaders or their treasonous goal of bringing down the federal govt?
What legislation would have prevented this? Stop preaching and please answer.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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And do you think the deaths of innocent children is worth making gun ownership legal, just to allow people to pretend to be Rambo, or to feed their irrational fears of marauding home invaders or their treasonous goal of bringing down the federal govt?
Abortion is deadly
 

vibise

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Which legislation would have prevented this. I've noticed we hear the same thing from gun haters every time this happens but never an answer. God is needed
How many guns do you own?

How about we stop selling military-styled weapons to civilians.
No bump stocks, large magazines, ghost guns.
Crackdown on straw purchases and gun shops that supply criminals in places like Chicago and NYC.
Make sure all gun-owners register and insure their weapons so that they are fully responsible for crimes committed with them.
Serious and complete background checks for all purchases or transfers.
Red flag laws.
No guns under 18 years old.
limits on the numbers of guns per person and ammo restrictions.
No guns for felons or anyone under a restraining order.
No open or concealed carry.
Gun purchasers should have a reason to own a gun. Like hunting.
Guns in airplane carryon bags confiscated, and owners made to pay a huge fine. Jail on second offense.
Safety requirements so that only the purchaser can fire the gun.
Serious training in advance of purchase, and yearly updated training, all at the gun owner's expense.
Fully fund federal research into the use and abuse of guns.
 

Nedsk

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How many guns do you own?

How about we stop selling military-styled weapons to civilians.
No bump stocks, large magazines, ghost guns.
Crackdown on straw purchases and gun shops that supply criminals in places like Chicago and NYC.
Make sure all gun-owners register and insure their weapons so that they are fully responsible for crimes committed with them.
Serious and complete background checks for all purchases or transfers.
Red flag laws.
No guns under 18 years old.
limits on the numbers of guns per person and ammo restrictions.
No guns for felons or anyone under a restraining order.
No open or concealed carry.
Gun purchasers should have a reason to own a gun. Like hunting.
Guns in airplane carryon bags confiscated, and owners made to pay a huge fine. Jail on second offense.
Safety requirements so that only the purchaser can fire the gun.
Serious training in advance of purchase, and yearly updated training, all at the gun owner's expense.
Fully fund federal research into the use and abuse of guns.
How would any of that have prevented this tragedy?

Two guns thank you
 
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