15+ Dead In Texas School Shooting; 18-y.o. student Salvador Ramos Identified As Shooter

Carol

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No, it's not. Don't care if someone's opinion is to the contrary. Until such people can show gods exist, such opinions are nothing more than an attempt to give themselves the authority they desperately wish for.

What authority? Over his own life?

Well what a horrible thing to wish for....
 

wiseones2cents

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You don't know the Bible. Jesus said that to test the man that heard it.

I will school you on Scripture. Your interpretation is speculation and is NOT supported by the rest of Scripture. He wasn't testing the man. He was answering his question of how he(the rich man) can attain eternal life.

Im sure the wolves in sheep's clothing that have infiltrated the Church would agree with your interpretation. Since they too would not give up most of their wealth.
Jesus would tell you that "unless you believe that I am Him, you will die in your sins".
What does that have to do with Jesus being a capitalist vs socialist? lol Try to stay on subject.
 

Carol

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But that is exactly the point. All rights are subject to being removed. What about the rights of Jews in Nazi Germany? What about the rights of Japanese internees in the US, or Afrikaans women and children in the Boer War? Where was God with his inalienable rights then? You can declare that rights come from anywhere you like, but the reality is that they are granted by those who have power over you, and can be taken away in like manner. All rights are granted, and taken away, by human beings. Claiming they come from God is just a Republican version of the Divine Right of kings.
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People infringing on others rights does not make them the grantors.
 

wiseones2cents

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Sorry, they're not bands,
WEAK!


I don't follow them unlike you apparently do. Of the three white supremacists I've met, two voted Democrat and wanted largely left wing policies, and just wanted no more inter-racial marriage. (indeed, many were fine with immigrants too, as it mean cheap labor, and were glad to see abortion among black and brown communities).

YOU SAID. "most of them(leftists groups), actually, have quite a few leftists". If you dont follow them and dont know, then why make a false statement? :)
(go check out the white supremacist past of the Sierra Club though, if you're legitimately interested)
Oh my goodness. You talking about more than 100 years ago, when the north was Republican and the south was Democratic?lol

WEAK!!!!

Truth be told, all elitists are white supremacists including Biden. But its not like they belong to known white supremacist groups.lol.
 

Yakuda

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Nothing is actually, objectively moral, or immoral. Morality is a judgement, an opinion, made by each person and unique to them. Your clarion call that thinking something is moral doesn't make it moral, is exactly right, and applies to everyone, including you, and everyone else who bases their moral opinion on what they have been told is the moral opinion of a deity.
Thanks for your opinion.
 

Gondwanaland

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WEAK!




YOU SAID. "most of them(leftists groups), actually, have quite a few leftists". If you dont follow them and dont know, then why make a false statement? :)
There are quite a few leftist white supremacists and those that hold left wing ideologies. I don't ask them which groups they attend. If you cannot accept that basic reality, that's too bad for you.
Oh my goodness. You talking about more than 100 years ago, when the north was Republican and the south was Democratic?lol
No, I'm talking about its long history of white supremacy.
 

Temujin

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People infringing on others rights does not make them the grantors.
No. It makes them the people who take rights away. The granters are the ones who say what rights should be and put in place some mechanism to enforce them. The nearest thing we have to inalienable rights, is the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights, and that isn't very close. It is a set of rights that most people in most countries would agree with, and it gives a framework around which rights can be discussed. But because it is a product of diplomacy and negotiation, it fudges many issues. There is no right to abortion, and no rights for the unborn. The right to life is qualified, not absolute. We have more rights now than we did a century ago, and many more than we did a millennium ago. Those rights were won in the teeth of opposition, by men and women. There were religious people on both sides of that struggle. There was no sign of God, or any other deity, except in the mouths of those claiming to speak for Him or to know His mind.
 

Yakuda

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No. It makes them the people who take rights away. The granters are the ones who say what rights should be and put in place some mechanism to enforce them. The nearest thing we have to inalienable rights, is the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights, and that isn't very close. It is a set of rights that most people in most countries would agree with, and it gives a framework around which rights can be discussed. But because it is a product of diplomacy and negotiation, it fudges many issues. There is no right to abortion, and no rights for the unborn. The right to life is qualified, not absolute. We have more rights now than we did a century ago, and many more than we did a millennium ago. Those rights were won in the teeth of opposition, by men and women. There were religious people on both sides of that struggle. There was no sign of God, or any other deity, except in the mouths of those claiming to speak for Him or to know His mind.
You're a brit isnt that right?
 

glenlogie

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I've read it - one of the most egregiously offensive stories in the entire Bible.

"I can do anything I want to this guy - and let Satan do anything he wants - because I made him, and I own him."

Disgusting.
So you would choose to spend eternity in hell. Your choice.
 
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