15+ Dead In Texas School Shooting; 18-y.o. student Salvador Ramos Identified As Shooter

Yakuda

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1. What is an 'assault weapon'?

2. Why is it absurd that one needs a weapon to defend themselves? Do I need to do what I did with vibise and bring out the examples of home invasions with multiple perpetrators? The examples of people using AR-15s to defend their homes from such invasions? Etc.?

3. Your last statement is a violation of constitutional rights.
Right!
 

vibise

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1. What is an 'assault weapon'?

2. Why is it absurd that one needs a weapon to defend themselves? Do I need to do what I did with vibise and bring out the examples of home invasions with multiple perpetrators? The examples of people using AR-15s to defend their homes from such invasions? Etc.?

3. Your last statement is a violation of constitutional rights.
1, The tactic of gun nuts is to use absurd definitional minutiae to prevent meaningful actions.

2. That people are routinely attacked by hordes of home invaders is completely absurd and the rarity of such things does not justify keeping weapons of war in homes.

3. How come people like you always forget that "well-regulated militia" part?
 

vibise

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I largely agree. The idea that one needs an assault weapon to defend "yourself" is absurd. The idea that school drop-outs should be allowed them also perverse. One should be required to show sufficient educational attainment to be eligible to own a gun, as morons will only use them for wrong purposes.
Having a certain degree of formal education should not be the benchmark for gun purchases. Purchases should require background checks, a waiting periof, age limits, limits on number of guns, formal training on gun use and storage and local gun laws, insurance.
 

Gondwanaland

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1, The tactic of gun nuts is to use absurd definitional minutiae to prevent meaningful actions.
I note you are unable to provide a definition. How is meaningful action possible when you gun-banners spout out vague terms that you cannot even define?
2. That people are routinely attacked by hordes of home invaders is completely absurd and the rarity of such things does not justify keeping weapons
Glad you're finally abandoning your nonsense claims that homebinvasions don't involve more than one person.
of war in homes.
Again, another vague term. AR-15s are not used my any military I know of.
3. How come people like you always forget that "well-regulated militia" part?
How come people like you forget that:
A. That's a predatory clause and
B. Well-regulated had a quite different meaning in the 1700s than what you are trying to use it as today?
 

Gondwanaland

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Having a certain degree of formal education should not be the benchmark for gun purchases. Purchases should require background checks, a waiting periof, age limits, limits on number of guns, formal training on gun use and storage and local gun laws, insurance.
That's racist.
 

ferengi

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It appears she does but only to the extent that they can count them as a " mass shooting".
Thats because in atheism communism socialism individuals dont matter - only groups do. She cannot care about the kids beyond the political advantage they represent to her and her sociopathic religion.
I don't think gun law advocates want these murders but these things serve their interests so it's an opportunity for them as much as a tragedy, in my opinion.
Well said.
 

Yakuda

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1, The tactic of gun nuts is to use absurd definitional minutiae to prevent meaningful actions.

2. That people are routinely attacked by hordes of home invaders is completely absurd and the rarity of such things does not justify keeping weapons of war in homes.

3. How come people like you always forget that "well-regulated militia" part?
You are the people of demented definitions now you're complaining? You still wonder why you're regularly insulted?
 

ferengi

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I am beside myself with anguish over those dead children.
FALSE - You cannot be feeling anything since you sociopathically advocate for the mass slaughter of over 63 million children already.
So resolve your contradiction.
Killed senselessly by someone with access to deadly weapons.
And in your atheistic worldview this was as random meaningless act in a pitilessly indifferent universe so what meaning does it have? what about the 63 million children killed senselessly in the womb - why the heartless indifference to their death?
Why do people need those weapons?
To protect themselves from atheist sociopaths.
Why are they sold to anyone and everyone?
To profit the gun industry and the legislators they buy.
All you care about is the politics - you are sick.
 

glenlogie

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1, The tactic of gun nuts is to use absurd definitional minutiae to prevent meaningful actions.

2. That people are routinely attacked by hordes of home invaders is completely absurd and the rarity of such things does not justify keeping weapons of war in homes.

3. How come people like you always forget that "well-regulated militia" part?
Again the poster is incapable of giving a definition for a law she is proposing.

Is she being purposely vague to hide her true feelings of her desire to ban all guns?
 

ferengi

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Again the poster is incapable of giving a definition for a law she is proposing.
Is she being purposely vague to hide her true feelings of her desire to ban all guns?
Of course she will not - she needs it to be vague so her sick sociopath demomarxists can change the meaning as they need to to use for the politics of the moment - all to destroy the constitution and freedom.
 

Yakuda

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Again the poster is incapable of giving a definition for a law she is proposing.

Is she being purposely vague to hide her true feelings of her desire to ban all guns?
It seems to me
only total confiscation of all guns along with outlawing the manufacture sales and possession of firearms would prevent such things. I think that's what they want but don't feel like people are ready for it which is why they are ambivalent about the dead children
 

glenlogie

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It seems to me
only total confiscation of all guns along with outlawing the manufacture sales and possession of firearms would prevent such things. I think that's what they want but don't feel like people are ready for it which is why they are ambivalent about the dead children
Libersls can never be honest with what they really want
 

Gondwanaland

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Very disturbing. Happened in a town 85 miles west of San Antonio. Apparently the shooter (a high schooler who went to the elementary school to shoot it up) killed his grandmother before going to the school and shooting. He is now dead (I don't believe he is included in the number) after a gunfight with police.

Sounds like he had a handgun and possibly used a rifle as well.


Takes a lot of evil to go shoot up 2-4th graders. Takes a real special sort of evil to go do it after you murdered your own grandmother. Sadly someone this filled with evil and hatred (and likely mental issues) is going to figure out a way to take out his rage on the world, no matter what.

Also, apparently many of the victims are kids of Border Patrol agents, which could potentially be a coincidence or perhaps could be something of a motive (given the shooter's ethnicity), we'll have to see.
Some more coming out about the shooter. Sounds quite familiar to a number of past school shooters.

Bullied through much of his school years for having a stutter and a lisp.

Apparently lived mostly with his mother (had no father in the home from the sounds of it), and she was a druggie who it appears lived on a property his grandmother (her mother) owned. The grandmother was getting ready to evict her for her drug issues. He'd moved to his grandmother's actual house shortly before the shooting it sounds like, after getting into a fight with his mom who was threatening to kick him out of the house.


https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/detail...amos-behavior/

The friend said he last interacted with Ramos just two hours before the attack at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

The two messaged on Instagram, where Valdez reshared a meme that said, “WHY TF IS SCHOOL STILL OPEN,” according to the Washington Post, which reported that Ramos replied, “Facts” and “That’s good tho right?”


Valdez reportedly wrote: “Idek [I don’t even know] I don’t even go to school lmao.”

But Ramos never responded to the message — or even opened it, he said.

Valdez also described how Ramos used to drive around with another pal and shoot people at random with a BB gun — and also egged people’s cars.

He said that Ramos last year posted on social media images of automatic rifles that “he would have on his wish list” – and a few days ago, he posted photos of two rifles he referred to as “my gun pics,” the paper reported.

Friends and relatives also said Ramos had been bullied throughout middle school and junior high for a speech impediment – a stutter and lisp, according to the Washington Post.
A family grieves outside of the SSGT Willie de Leon Civic Center following the mass shooting.Getty ImagesFootage of Ramos on the school’s campus Tuesday.Elsa G Ruiz/Facebook
His cousin Mia said she saw students mocking his impediment during middle school, where he tried at first to ignore the bullying but then told his grandmother that he didn’t want to go back to school.

“He wasn’t very much of a social person after being bullied for the stutter,” said Mia, who declined to provide her last name. “I think he just didn’t feel comfortable anymore at school.”

Childhood friend Stephen Garcia told the paper that Ramos “would get bullied hard, like bullied by a lot of people. Over social media, over gaming, over everything.
Members of the community gather at the City of Uvalde Town Square for a prayer vigil.Getty Images
“He was the nicest kid, the most shyest kid. He just needed to break out of his shell,” he said, adding that Ramos was once subjected to homophobic slurs after posting a photo of himself wearing black eyeliner.

Garcia said he tried to defend his friend before moving with his mother to another part of the state for her job.

“He just started being a different person. He kept getting worse and worse, and I don’t even know,” he told the paper.
A family comforts their child at the prayer vigil.Getty Images
Ramos soon began wearing all black, walked in large military boots and grew out his hair, according to the report.

Nadia Reyes, another high school classmate, told the paper that Ramos recently posted an Instagram story of himself yelling at his mom, who he said was trying to kick him out of their home.

“He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b—- and say she wanted to kick him out,” she told the paper. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”
Law enforcement work the scene.Getty Images
Ramos’ neighbor Ruben Flores, 41, said he tried to be a kind of father figure to the troubled teen, who had “a pretty rough life with his mom.”

He told the paper he saw police at the Hood Street home, where he witnessed blowups between the two.

Flores and several other people familiar with the family said Ramos’ mother used drugs, which contributed to the trouble at home, according to the Washington Post, which said it could not reach her for comment.
Law enforcement personnel run away from the scene.REUTERS
Ramos moved to his grandmother’s home across town a few months ago, according to Flores, who said he last saw the grandmother Sunday when she stopped by the mom’s Hood Street property, which she also owned.

He said she told him she was in the process of evicting Ramos’ mother because of her drug issues.

Ramos allegedly shot his grandmother before heading over to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde with two assault rifles around 11:32 a.m. local time Tuesday, according to officials.
A child gets on a school bus as law enforcement personnel guard the scene.REUTERS
Meanwhile, new details also have been reported about Ramos’ behavior at a local Wendy’s, where he worked from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. or 5 p.m., five days a week.

Adrian Mendes, the evening manager at the fast-food joint, told CNN that he “kept to himself mostly.”

“He felt like the quiet type, the one who doesn’t say much. He didn’t really socialize with the other employees,” Mendes said. “He just worked, got paid, and came in to get his check.”

A young woman who worked with him until March noticed an aggressive streak.

“He would be very rude towards the girls sometimes, and one of the cooks, threatening them by asking, ‘Do you know who I am?’ And he would also send inappropriate texts to the ladies,” the former co-worker told The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.

“At the park, there’d be videos of him trying to fight people with boxing gloves. He’d take them around with him,” she said.

Meawnhile, a photo of two AR-15-style rifles appeared on an Instagram account linked to Ramos just three days before the massacre, according to CNN.

His TikTok page has only a single post of a mobile game, yet the bio under his profile image reads: “Kids be scared irl” — an acronym for “in real life.”

Just hours before the bloodbath, Ramos cryptically messaged a stranger “I’m about to.”

The Instagram account with the username “salv8dor_” contained photos of guns and selfies of himself. It was taken down after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott released his name.

The account’s single grid post features three photos — a mirror selfie of Ramos in a sweatshirt, a grainy black-and-white close-up of his face, and a first-person shot of a person holding a firearm magazine in their lap.

The same account shared a photo of two rifles laying side-by-side to its stories. The account tagged another user in the photo.

That user, @epnupues, said Ramos was a total stranger who tagged her in the gun photo and messaged her that he “got a lil secret”.

The Instagram user, who said she doesn’t live in Texas, questioned why he tagged her in the pic of the rifles and said she found it scary that he tagged her.

“You gonna repost my gun pics,” @sal8dor_ direct messaged the girl on May 12.

“what your guns gotta do with me,” she replied on Friday.

“Just wanted to tag you,” he said back.

Then at 5:43 a.m. Tuesday @salv8dor_ messaged her “I’m about to”.

The girl asked “about to what” to which he answered, “I’ll tell you before 11.”

He said he’d text her in an hour and urged her to respond.

“I got a lil secret I wanna tell u,” he messaged with a smiley face emoji covering its mouth.

He never told the girl his secret. His last message at 9:16 a.m. was “Ima air out.”
 

Backup

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That seems to be the case with gun-grabbers like her.
So you imagine you know the secret motives of people who are claiming to be horrified by all these mass shootings?

My liberal friends tell me pro-life people don’t really care about babies, they just want to subjugate woman.
 

glenlogie

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So you imagine you know the secret motives of people who are claiming to be horrified by all these mass shootings?

My liberal friends tell me pro-life people don’t really care about babies, they just want to subjugate woman.
How is that any different from your attempts at mind reading.
 

mikeT

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Yes, Gun Ownership Is a God-Given Right​

No, it's not. Don't care if someone's opinion is to the contrary. Until such people can show gods exist, such opinions are nothing more than an attempt to give themselves the authority they desperately wish for.
 

Yakuda

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No, it's not. Don't care if someone's opinion is to the contrary. Until such people can show gods exist, such opinions are nothing more than an attempt to give themselves the authority they desperately wish for.
The authors of the Declaration of Independence thought it was.
 

mikeT

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Yesterday, I had a customer come into the store and ask me if I'd heard of the shooting. Work's too busy to get much phone browsing done, so I said Yes, but that I had no details.

He proceeded to tell me more than a dozen kids were killed by a Latino who'd crossed the border illegally, and that Biden and Harris now needed to "hold onto their asses". He mumbled something about rising crime rates and immigrants and stupid Democrats as he left the store.

Made me wonder if he posted regularly to these forums.
 
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