15+ Dead In Texas School Shooting; 18-y.o. student Salvador Ramos Identified As Shooter

Yakuda

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Fabulous. Your philosophy in a nutshell. And the reason it should be rejected, root and branch.
As it relates to the founding documents and the principles of rights what the rest of human history did is irrelevant. You should try to remember I'm not your mommy and I don't think every ridiculous thing that drips out of your brain should be put in the refrigerator
 

Lastdaysbeliever

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If someone designs to murder (Cain and Abel), they will. Irrespective of whether the gun control advocates got their way via legislation of rights abrogation. Additionally, using the argument that taking away lawfully owned weapons or limiting ownership is the solution is fallacious (in this case appeal to emotions) and ignores critical thinking. This is a spiritual matter that goes back to the garden and no amount of gun control, knife control, automobile control or even fork control will change it. The heart of man is evil.

Mark 7:21 - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Romans 1:21 - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Matthew 12:35 - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
 

Temujin

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As it relates to the founding documents and the principles of rights what the rest of human history did is irrelevant. You should try to remember I'm not your mommy and I don't think every ridiculous thing that drips out of your brain should be put in the refrigerator
And it is the entirety of human history that illustrates that rights are not inalienable and do not come from God. A revered piece of paper, be it the constitution or the Bible, is still only a piece of paper, written by fallible men and prone to becoming irrelevant over time.
 

Yakuda

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And it is the entirety of human history that illustrates that rights are not inalienable and do not come from God. A revered piece of paper, be it the constitution or the Bible, is still only a piece of paper, written by fallible men and prone to becoming irrelevant over time.
Written because at the time the king thought he bestowed rights. Kind of sounds.like a pompous ass it's like leftists who think the govt bestows rights. To imagine that men grant you your rights leaves you open to the possibility that men will grant you no rights at all. Only a dingbat would want other men deciding what their rights are.
 

Yakuda

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Prove it - Fabulous. Your philosophy in a nutshell. And the reason it should be rejected, root and branch.
Right the genius thinks the best plan is to have men decide what out rights are. Nothing could go wrong with that. We haven't seen that go badly in human history have we?
 

Temujin

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Written because at the time the king thought he bestowed rights. Kind of sounds.like a pompous ass it's like leftists who think the govt bestows rights. To imagine that men grant you your rights leaves you open to the possibility that men will grant you no rights at all. Only a dingbat would want other men deciding what their rights are.
But that is exactly the point. All rights are subject to being removed. What about the rights of Jews in Nazi Germany? What about the rights of Japanese internees in the US, or Afrikaans women and children in the Boer War? Where was God with his inalienable rights then? You can declare that rights come from anywhere you like, but the reality is that they are granted by those who have power over you, and can be taken away in like manner. All rights are granted, and taken away, by human beings. Claiming they come from God is just a Republican version of the Divine Right of kings.
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glenlogie

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But that is exactly the point. All rights are subject to being removed. What about the rights of Jews in Nazi Germany? What about the rights of Japanese internees in the US, or Afrikaans women and children in the Boer War? Where was God with his inalienable rights then? You can declare that rights come from anywhere you like, but the reality is that they are granted by those who have power over you, and can be taken away in like manner. All rights are granted, and taken away, by human beings. Claiming they come from God is just a Republican version of the Divine Right of kings.
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We as humans lack the knowledge to know what God's plans are. Plus you hae the assumption that living on earth in our present state is the best that can happen.
 

Yakuda

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But that is exactly the point. All rights are subject to being removed. What about the rights of Jews in Nazi Germany? What about the rights of Japanese internees in the US, or Afrikaans women and children in the Boer War? Where was God with his inalienable rights then? You can declare that rights come from anywhere you like, but the reality is that they are granted by those who have power over you, and can be taken away in like manner. All rights are granted, and taken away, by human beings. Claiming they come from God is just a Republican version of the Divine Right of kings.
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What about them? It was immoral to do so. What about them? It was immoral to do so. No they are not granted by men but are suppose to be protected by men, thats why we have govts but govts aren't run by angels. So the founders were republicans? It's amazing how leftists can get through a day without being seriously injured.
 

glenlogie

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But that is exactly the point. All rights are subject to being removed. What about the rights of Jews in Nazi Germany? What about the rights of Japanese internees in the US, or Afrikaans women and children in the Boer War? Where was God with his inalienable rights then? You can declare that rights come from anywhere you like, but the reality is that they are granted by those who have power over you, and can be taken away in like manner. All rights are granted, and taken away, by human beings. Claiming they come from God is just a Republican version of the Divine Right of kings.
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I do not trust humans to determine what is the best for people.
 

Temujin

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We as humans lack the knowledge to know what God's plans are.
We lack the knowledge that He exists at all.
Basing our decision-making on an entity that doesn't interact, last communicated His wishes 2000 years ago and may very well be imaginary, is not sound policy. Rather than guess what God's plans are, better to work out what plans are best for us. You never know, that might be actually what He wants us to do.
Plus you hae the assumption that living on earth in our present state is the best that can happen.
Yes, I do make that assumption. Making public policy on any other basis would be utterly crazy.
 

glenlogie

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We lack the knowledge that He exists at all.
Basing our decision-making on an entity that doesn't interact, last communicated His wishes 2000 years ago and may very well be imaginary, is not sound policy. Rather than guess what God's plans are, better to work out what plans are best for us. You never know, that might be actually what He wants us to do. Yes, I do make that assumption. Making public policy on any other basis would be utterly crazy.
Wrong, Some people accpet the evidence as presented. Others do not believe it.

And if his last communication was 2000 years ago, it is sufficent to give us want we need,

And people who believe this way have as much rights as anyone else to make public policy.
 

Yakuda

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We lack the knowledge that He exists at all.
Basing our decision-making on an entity that doesn't interact, last communicated His wishes 2000 years ago and may very well be imaginary, is not sound policy. Rather than guess what God's plans are, better to work out what plans are best for us. You never know, that might be actually what He wants us to do. Yes, I do make that assumption. Making public policy on any other basis would be utterly crazy.
Tell us what's wrong with the 10 commandments as a basis for laws. I would concede people shouldn't be forced to worship God but what's wrong with the rest of them as a moral basis for law.
 

Gondwanaland

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The guy that shot up those people in Buffalo was not a democrat(If Im not mistaken). This mental illness goes beyond party lines......

The truth is the guy was already flagged. He should have had his weapons taken away from him.....
He wasn't a Democrat card carrier, that we know of, but he was authoritarian left
 

Yakuda

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Wrong, Some people accpet the evidence as presented. Others do not believe it.

And if his last communication was 2000 years ago, it is sufficent to give us want we need,

And people who believe this way have as much rights as anyone else to make public policy.
The left thinks they know best because they are "enlightened". So enlightened in fact they can't answer a simple question about whether a person is in fact a man if a person declares themselves to be a man.
 

Temujin

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I do not trust humans to determine what is the best for people.
Humans are all we've got. What do you propose, dolphins? I trust humans acting as humans rather more than humans claiming to act on behalf of whatever God they personally believe in
 

ferengi

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Right the genius thinks the best plan is to have men decide what out rights are. Nothing could go wrong with that. We haven't seen that go badly in human history have we?
Well said - his kind slaughtered over 100 million - just in the 20th century alone - and they hypocritalcay whine about 19 children dead when murdered ove 63 million in the womb - total sociopathy.
 
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