2 Corinthians 5 10

[Sota]

A couple of teachers in our church are teaching that Christians have already appeared before the judgment seat of Christ while on earth. Their logic is that when you are judged lost, you appear before Christ's judgment seat. Christians will not face any judgment in heaven for their salvation or their service as Christians and salvation is the reward for all Christians. I thought the underlying Greek appear was in the future tense. Can anyone shed some light on the Greek? Is the above interpretation even possible?

Thanks,

Sota

 

[cjab]

A couple of teachers in our church are teaching that Christians have already appeared before the judgment seat of Christ while on earth. Their logic is that when you are judged lost, you appear before Christ's judgment seat. Christians will not face any judgment in heaven for their salvation or their service as Christians and salvation is the reward for all Christians. I thought the underlying Greek appear was in the future tense. Can anyone shed some light on the Greek? Is the above interpretation even possible?

Thanks,

Sota

The context of "judgement for deeds done in the body" renders 2 Cor 5:10 inapplicable to living Christians as the judgement relates specifically to deeds done in the body, and so logically death first must have taken place. The Greek verb tenses are not material, as the passage is doctrinal and starts with "it is necessary" or "it behoves us".

Christians will receive judgement along with pagans.

 

[Sota]

Thanks for the reply!

Sota

 

[Our Lord's God]

A couple of teachers in our church are teaching that Christians have already appeared before the judgment seat of Christ while on earth. Their logic is that when you are judged lost, you appear before Christ's judgment seat. Christians will not face any judgment in heaven for their salvation or their service as Christians and salvation is the reward for all Christians.

the Bible states unequivocally that every human soul will be judged. EVERY human soul.

I thought the underlying Greek appear was in the future tense. Can anyone shed some light on the Greek? Is the above interpretation even possible?

Their interpretation is utterly absurd.

The context is the resurrection of the body in which we will all stand before God to be judged.

 

[Sota]

I agree.

Sota

 

[puddleglum]

Christians will receive judgement along with pagans.

All will be judged but not all will experience the same judgment. Only those who are saved will appear before the judgment seat and the purpose of this judgment will be to judge the works of believers to determine the rewards they will receive.

According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:19-15

 

[Our Lord's God]

All will be judged but not all will experience the same judgment. Only those who are saved will appear before the judgment seat and the purpose of this judgment will be to judge the works of believers to determine the rewards they will receive.

Complete lie, an invention of wicked men. You are saying God will judge with partiality when the Bible says He does not.

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his works: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality: eternal life. 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
Romans 2

Because God judges impartially, believers too are to conduct themselves in fear.

If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your sojourn.
1 Peter 1:14-17

According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:19-15

Paul is talking about genuine believers and what they build upon. Read the context.

 

[cjab]

Complete lie, an invention of wicked men.

How do you account for:

Mat 24:38 "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

Mat 24:39 "....and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Mat 24:40 "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Mat 24:41 "Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Mat 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

 

[Our Lord's God]

How do you account for:

Mat 24:38 "For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

Mat 24:39 "....and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Mat 24:40 "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Mat 24:41 "Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Mat 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

What is to "account for"?

 

[cjab]

What is to "account for"?

The separation of the saved from the unsaved prior to the "judgement."

 

[Our Lord's God]

The separation of the saved from the unsaved prior to the "judgement."

Like this?

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

 

[cjab]

Like this?

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

It's what it says.

 

[Our Lord's God]

It's what it says.

Was it like herding cats for Jesus and he had to separate them again?

 

[cjab]

Was it like herding cats for Jesus and he had to separate them again?

Don't forget that Jesus had a habit of making things as simple as possible conceptually. It's the concept that matters. Those who hated Jesus will be in for a rather different type of judgement than those who honored him.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Don't forget that Jesus had a habit of making things as simple as possible conceptually. It's the concept that matters. Those who hated Jesus will be in for a rather different type of judgement than those who honored him.

You want me to muddy the waters now?

 

[cjab]

You want me to muddy the waters now?

I've only quoted the bible. If you want to attack what the bible says, go ahead.

 

[Our Lord's God]

I've only quoted the bible. If you want to attack what the bible says, go ahead.

No, you've proposed something which doesn't work.

 

[cjab]

No, you've proposed something which doesn't work.

What doesn't work?

 

[Our Lord's God]

What doesn't work?

This: The separation of the saved from the unsaved prior to the "judgement."

 

[cjab]

This: The separation of the saved from the unsaved prior to the "judgement."

Depends on what part of the judgement you're talking about. Arguably, as to saved versus unsaved, the unsaved are already judged in this life, as John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."