I'm referring to Paul's statement and BTW the New interprets the Old. Its why Jesus and the Apostles quoted the Old and gave us the meaning of those quotes. Jesus corrects everyone's misunderstanding on the OT especially with the Pharisees. Paul and the Author of Hebrews do the same thing in their epistles.Check the old testament
National Israel was elect
First the New testament explains the old testament but it does not falsify itI'm referring to Paul's statement and BTW the New interprets the Old. Its why Jesus and the Apostles quoted the Old and gave us the meaning of those quotes. Jesus corrects everyone's misunderstanding on the OT especially with the Pharisees. Paul and the Author of Hebrews do the same thing in their epistles.
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I'm not assuming since Paul uses it 6 times referring to those who are saved in conjunction with election.First the New testament explains the old testament but it does not falsify it
Second Israel was elected to service
You are simply assuming your idea election is only to salvation
Read post 20 and then 22. Ken answers the unconditional election question and says only some were saved, not all .
read my last post and the scripture references that support me not your ideas.It cannot be assumed election only concerns salvation
That is why I asked election to what
National Israel was elected to service
From that election men were cuttoff
Other than that I am not sure what your point is here
Ken answers the unconditional election question and says only some were saved, not all .
I'm not assuming since Paul uses it 6 times referring to those who are saved in conjunction with election.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1589: ἐκλογή
ἐκλογή, ἐκλογῆς, ἡ (ἐκλέγω), election, choice;
a. the act of picking out, choosing: σκεῦος ἐκλογῆς (the genitive of quality; cf. Winers Grammar, § 34, 3 b.; (Buttmann, 161 (140f))), equivalent to ἐκλεκτόν, namely, τοῦ Θεοῦ, Acts 9:15; specifically used of that act of God's free will by which before the foundation of the world he decreed his blessings to certain persons; — ἡ κατ' ἐκλογήν προφεσις, the decree made from choice (A. V. the purpose according to election, cf. Winer's Grammar, 193 (182)), Romans 9:11 (cf. Fritzsche at the passage, p. 298ff); — particularly that by which he determined to bless certain persons through Christ, Romans 11:28; κατ' ἐκλογήν χάριτος, according to an election which is due to grace, or a gracious election, Romans 11:5; with the genitive of the person elected, 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Peter 1:10.
Romans 9:11 N-AFS
GRK: ἡ κατ' ἐκλογὴν πρόθεσις τοῦ
NAS: according to [His] choice would stand,
KJV: according to election might stand,
INT: the according to election purpose
ok hope all goes well !Refers to election to service
No unconditional election to salvation there
Concerns Gods choice to saved those that believe
Romans 9:30-32 (ESV)
30 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith;
31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law.
32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Those who pursued righteousness by faith
Not some unconditionally elect
Most Israel was cuttoff because of a lack of faith
Romans 11:20-23 (ESV)
20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
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