Thistle
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@wiseones2cents to be clear anyone who wants to shut down petroleum is a purveyor of death on a massive scale to the tune of tens of millions perhaps even hundreds of millions of people.
50 years of climate predictions
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Shilohsfoal
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Nothing like NC.
It looks like I'll be lucky to see any snow this winter.It just keeps raining.
Winter just doesn't seem like winter anymore.
wiseones2cents
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Irrelevant. If heat temperatures increase heat related deaths will increase. Simple as that! Especially damaging crops and water supplies.
Low cost energy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Second dumbest thing!
Have you seen the prices of oil gasoline, and as a result EVERYTHING that is transported by it has DOUBLED in price.
Poverty is a function of lack of modern energy? How oh how did people exist in the past? ROTFLOL! Your statements become more and more ridiculous.
There are LOTS of clean energy sources already. Only people resisting are the oil industry and their employees!!! Days of cheap oil are LONG over!!!
The oil industry for example bought out solar technology and suppressed it for 60 years!!!
wiseones2cents
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Nonsense. More and more people cant afford to heat their own homes. Tell us again how cold kills more than extreme heat.
Thistle
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For every additional person that dies of heat related temperature increase 20 people will live who would've otherwise died of hypothermia. That is a 2000% improvement in the extreme temperature related death rate.
The growing season will expand in latitudes further north and south than have ever been available for cultivation before.
It's not as dumb as your reaction to it.
I'm aware of that. It's because of the Biden Administration's energy policies and their war on Ukraine etc. etc. If Donald Trump were back in power we would become the number one producer and exporter of oil in the world again and the prices would come down dramatically. Energy prices are high because the Biden administration wants them high not because of anything that the oil companies are doing or failing to do. If Trump is elected we will have energy prices comparable to those that we experienced in 2019 in no time flat. This is because a big factor moving today's energy prices are the cost of futures, which will come down precipitously based on the policy that the new administration announces.
In the past everybody was poor just like in every undeveloped country. The only people who are not poor was a very small handful of rich people which is the way things were in the ancient world. The only thing that allowed wealth to reach the middle class is cheap energy.
I can't help it if you are absolutely ignorant of almost everything. But if you think that people pressing back into the distant past were wealthy you're a blithering idiot.
There is not "lots of clean energy" relative to the total demand for energy. Energy must be available when people use it. That means when they get in their cars, plug in their toasters, use their hair dryers, turn on their washing machines, do the dishes, click on the ceiling fan, etc. etc. etc. Relative to that demand curve, producing eneryy when it needs to be used, there's absolutely not "lots of clean energy."
Oil companies don't even call themselves oil companies anymore. They call them selves energy companies and they are investing more in clean energy than anybody on the planet. They quite frankly don't know what's going to happen to regulations if we have a succession of politicians like Joe Biden in the White House. They are frankly quite spooked.
That is a brilliantly stupid comment. 2019 and 20 is not "long" ago. And the days of cheap energy are not "long over." We will definitely experience that level of energy pricing provided we get someone like Donald Trump in the White House. If you remember correctly no one predicted those low levels of energy prices going into Trump's term. Then immediately everyone took those pricing levels for granted once Trump was in the White House, and energy prices started skyrocketing concurrent with Biden's energy policies. This isn't rocket science anybody could implement energy policies that would bring prices down. It's not happening because Biden doesn't want low energy prices.
What kind of solar energy companies were there in 1963?
Furion
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Looking at your response I don't necessarily count you as educated anyway.
Authentic Nouveau
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Political hype. All those "sources" come from "dirty mining and manufacturing"
Poor people resist rip-off energy prices.
Crude $12.78 April 2020 Why is it important to you to be wrong?
More from your imagination
Authentic Nouveau
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Freezing to death will kill ya. Pay attention.
wiseones2cents
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And if the world heats up, more people will die of heat. You still don't get it.lol
Yes in some, and others especially near the equator will be desert like.
Oh please. Oil was almost as high during Bush's war too! It has NOTHING to do with policies and everything to do with price gouging!
Prices are high because demand for oil has drastically increased from China, so when demand goes up, they can get away with prices going up.
Ya? How about pre 9/11 prices? Also the prices at the pumps do not correlate with the cost of a barrel of oil, so it's that capitalists that are raising the price!
Baloney! Wealth was mostly gold, silver, copper, gems, ect... There wasn't enough money to go around. Then they came up with paper money with no real value and voila. They were able to lift more people out of poverty.
Western countries have their gold reserves to thank for their economies. Most of which were stolen from poor Africa!!
It depends on what you define as wealthy!
Wrong. I have a library of clean energy projects in the works. You know everyone should have a solar panel, but the USA and UK who profit the most from the oil businesses, stopped China of dumping cheap solar panels in the west. The reason is obvious. It cuts into their oil profits.
So they say, but they dragging their feet!
The only time gas prices came down was during the lockdown. people weren't driving or working so the demand for gas and oil went down.
Here's a secret for you. Nothin Biden or Trump does, affects oil prices. Other than taxes.
These "energy" companies receive HUGE subsidies from the government while enjoying record profits.
Look it up like I did. If you can't I can provide! They bought out the solar technology and used them to power off shore oil rigs! LONGGGGG ago!
wiseones2cents
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Awww another one that cant debate and thus resorts to name calling. I hope you people don't talk like that in public or you'd receive some "education".
wiseones2cents
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Another lie from capitalists only fools believe.LMAO!
The only time gas prices came down was during the lockdown. people weren't driving or working so the demand for gas and oil went down.
Here's a secret for you. Nothin Biden or Trump does, affects oil prices. Other than taxes.
These "energy" companies receive HUGE subsidies from the government while enjoying record profits.
i studied this stuff decades ago. I should have notes somewhere I can dig up to prove it. But just how long ago was the technology?
The solar technology was bought out by big oil in the 60's and suppressed!!
Solar energy - Wikipedia
Early commercial adaptation
In 1878, at the Universal Exposition in Paris, Augustin Mouchot successfully demonstrated a solar steam engine, but couldn't continue development because of cheap coal and other factors.In 1897, Frank Shuman, a US inventor, engineer and solar energy pioneer built a small demonstration solar engine that worked by reflecting solar energy onto square boxes filled with ether, which has a lower boiling point than water and were fitted internally with black pipes which in turn powered a steam engine. In 1908 Shuman formed the Sun Power Company with the intent of building larger solar power plants.
We have proved the commercial profit of sun power in the tropics and have more particularly proved that after our stores of oil and coal are exhausted the human race can receive unlimited power from the rays of the Sun.
— Frank Shuman, New York Times, 2 July 1916
In 2011, the International Energy Agency said that "the development of affordable, inexhaustible and clean solar energy technologies will have huge longer-term benefits. It will increase countries' energy security through reliance on an indigenous, inexhaustible, and mostly import-independent resource, enhance sustainability, reduce pollution, lower the costs of mitigating global warming .... these advantages are global"
wiseones2cents
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Try staying in a sauna for a long period of time.lol
Thistle
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I'm sorry but the stuff that you said in this post is so insanely stupid, ignorant and counterfactual it does not warrant me going through the thing. If you're so ignorant you believe any of that stuff in your post you really don't know anything about what you're presumably talking about.
Authentic Nouveau
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Well the global warming fear mongers pander to such a constituency.
Authentic Nouveau
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Sauna's are not climate.
Thistle
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So it would seem.
wiseones2cents
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Lets agree to disagree. You stated cheap energy has gotten people out of poverty which is absolute nonsense. Energy in a capitalist system is never cheap.
wiseones2cents
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Extreme heat/humidity is. You'd think that would be obvious.lol
Authentic Nouveau
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Why would they die?
Our daughter RAN an ultra marathon, of which 5 hours were in a canyon over 105 degrees, Her team mate got sick, passed out and he also finished. He was rehabbed.
You need to be careful when you run to Tim Horton's You may be healthy enough or not.
wiseones2cents
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Try being in the sauna for a few hours and tell me how you like it.