666 comes from the Old Testament. It's pretty easy to figure out the name that it represents.

Yahweh will increase

Well-known member
Your claim is false again, (The Beast) & (The False Prophet) are noted in the first person singular throughout Revelation, He, His, Him,

Both The Beast and False Prophet are human men, that will be cast alive into the Lake Of Fire as seen below.

Revelation 19:20KJV

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The term Beast in the Bible is revealed in Daniel 7 to be referring to Kingdoms and this is where we need to get our interpretation of what the word Beast means in the Bible and Daniel also refers to them with personal pronouns as well, "he and him".

The beasts are symbolic for Kingdoms under the control of the spirit of antichrist or the the beast from the abyss and being symbolic, your idea that they are in the first person singular doesn't mean that John is speaking of two men.

Furthermore the beast and the false prophet are first and foremost an evil spirit of antichrist that is leading the physical kingdoms of the beast from the sea and the beast from the earth and therefore it is the spirit that is cast into the lake of fire alive and not the bodies plural human bodies that they operate through.

Definition of a Beast= an evil spirit and it's body or kingdoms of human beings through which it operates and does its evil.

Actually there are three Beasts mentioned in Revelation, the beast that rises up from the sea of the nations and then the second who rises up from the earth and which is also called the false prophet and then the beast that rises up from the abyss and which is the King over the other two bodies or kingdoms under his power.
 

Timtofly

Member
FYI again the FP of Rev.19:20 is in FACT the beast out of the earth in Rev.13:11-13! He is Not the Beast out of the sea in Rev.13:1! Case closed! Satan does in fact give his Power to those two beasts to do his bidding for him! Satan, AC, & FP are the Anti Trinity and FSHS are the TRINITY that Satan likes to Mimic! They, the Anti-Trinity do NOT bring the AOC ( Image - idol ) to life. They cause it to move & speak just like a robot that is NOT alive! Only GOD ( the TRINITY ) can bring dead things to life! When the AC gets a fatal wound, Satan does NOT bring him back to life, he puts himself ( his spirit ) in that dead man's body to make it look like the AC came back to life, to try & Mimic the REAL Christ that REALLY came back to life 3 days after His death on the cross!
You fail to see that Satan wants his own "Adam", his own brand of Messiah.

Almost 6000 years ago, Satan successfully destroyed God's Adam. Now he gets approval from God to offer mankind his own Adam and Messiah. Satan only suffers 1 human, the FP, whom he "reincarnates" with his spirit. Satan used a serpent in the Garden. Satan uses a human the next time. The only abomination of desolation is this beast image. It is not a human. The only human is the FP. I am not calling the image a living being. Neither does John. It is called a beast always.
 

Timtofly

Member
As scripture clearly teaches, the (False Prophet) is a literal human man, as is (The Beast), they both will have their human body's cast alive into the Lake Of Fire.

(End Of Story)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
There is no Scripture that teaches a second human in Revelation 13. That is an assumption. It has no basis in fact nor Scripture. If it speaks like a dragon it is a dragon. If it speaks like Satan, it is Satan. Satan is called the dragon.

"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan [the Adversary]"
 

Timtofly

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Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth, there will be no Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Its Gone!

Many desire to see Jesus Christ return, and start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, many dont want to acknowledge the fire at the Lords Appearance, Revealing, because their Millennial Kingdom on this Earth is (Gone)
Why do you assume many desire? Is the opposite true many do not desire, therefore we have amillennialism? Why do you not desire this 1000 year reign? Jesus claims:

"May your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in heaven."

Jesus desired the coming kingdom. Jesus desired that all on earth do the will of God without question on earth as those who do it in heaven. That is hardly the condition of the current world bound by sin.

John says there will be 1000 years free from sin and Satan. Then many claim they do not desire it. They reject it. They deny it. They find Scripture to back up their refusal for God's Will to be done on earth just like it is done in heaven.

Then they get all hostile when you point out this simple fact. If many desire it, the opposite is an equal and fair statement: Many do not desire the coming 1000 year reign of Christ when Satan is literally bound in a the pit, and cannot deceive the Nations.

People desire it, because the Lord's prayer has been taught throughout Christianity. Even if they do not even know what they are praying, God puts the desire in their heart. Reading Revelation 20 does not seem to be a very strong reason to desire the millennium. In fact verse 4 says the only ones who get there are beheaded. Who prays to be beheaded? Who desires to be beheaded? Do you plan on being beheaded? If you accept post trib, you will be beheaded. Post trib desire for Jesus to come and kill all humanity with a sword:

"The rest were killed with the sword that goes out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."

This is all of humanity on earth. No one escapes. The last we are told is people are beheaded or killed by Christ Himself. Those beheaded are resurrected in Revelation 20:4. The rest of the dead (killed by Jesus) live not again until the GWT.
 

Truth7t7

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Then you disagree with God's scriptures in Rev.20:7-10 that Clearly says Satan gets released from the PIT ( Prison ) 1000 years later for his final rebellion and is Immediately defeated and sent to the LOF, where his AC & FP already are - ( because they are the first two { Rev.19:20 } that went in 1000 years earlier when Satan got bound in the Pit in Rev.20:1-3 )! Yes the 1000 years are Literal and are mentioned NOT Once, but SIX Times in Rev.20:2-7! Case closed!
John saw "SOULS" those that were killed during the tribulation

They are in the Lords spiritual realm of no literal time, one day is a thousand years

You falsely suggest, these "SOULS" represent humans living on earth in a future Millennial Kingdom?

100% False, good try, but no cigar!

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 

Timtofly

Member
John saw "SOULS" those that were killed during the tribulation

They are in the Lords spiritual realm of no literal time, one day is a thousand years

You falsely suggest, these "SOULS" represent humans living on earth in a future Millennial Kingdom?

100% False, good try, but no cigar!

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
In Paradise it is one Day.

On earth it is 1000 years.

That is the fact many ignore. God Says in the 4th Commandment: 6 Days shalt thou labor. That was 6 Days in Paradise. It was 6000 years on earth. Who knew that the 4th Commandment was symbolic, and they complain Revelation 20 is too symbolic to understand. 1000 years is on earth. It will be 1 Day in Paradise.

John also saw souls put on a robe of white. John does not call humans who are dead, humans. He calls them souls. Humans literally cannot enter Paradise. As being human denotes this sinful corruptible carnal fleshly body.

The use of "soul" is not some esoteric spiritual out of this world phenomenon. It just means John would prefer to call then souls intead of humans. A soul is a human without a body. John says they are judged and given life. They live and reign. After judgment comes the incorruptible body. Paul gave us the details of a resurrection body after judgment. John further states:

"Blessed and holy is anyone who has a part in the first resurrection; over him the second death has no power. On the contrary, they will be cohanim of God and of the Messiah, and they will rule with him for the thousand years."

You highlight they are souls. John tells us it is a first resurrection (physical). They are given incorruptible permanent bodies according to Paul. John leaves out the robe of white. They are not glorified. They can procreate and do so for 1000 years. They are not hindered by death, decay, sin, nor Satan to deceive them. These are not spiritual priest in heaven. The church is in Paradise in the temple of God.

These are on earth to serve in the Temple in Jerusalem. Priest infers a Temple as it is a physical appointment on physical earth. It is not in Paradise. Paradise is 1 Day. On earth it is 1000 years. John skips the point about the Day of the Lord to remove any ambiguity and set a defined 1000 years. To change this back into symbolic Day of the Lord would defeat the purpose of John giving us the fact it is a literal 1000 years. No guess work at all.

We know it is on earth because at the end we are told:

"they came up over the breadth of the Land and surrounded the camp of God’s people and the city he loves."

Land is earth. The city God loves is Jerusalem. Satan does not attack Paradise. It is on physical earth and the march is towards literal physical Jerusalem. After they are consumed by fire, then heaven and earth pass away, and the NHNE appears around those living on the earth.

Then and only then does the New Jerusalem descend and sits in the place of the former Jerusalem. Except on this earth there is no more Sea. A totally different reality.
 

rod.ney

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John saw "SOULS" those that were killed during the tribulation

They are in the Lords spiritual realm of no literal time, one day is a thousand years

You falsely suggest, these "SOULS" represent humans living on earth in a future Millennial Kingdom?

100% False, good try, but no cigar!

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I don't smoke! So I do not need your Twisted ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) cigar! The apostle John ( while exiled on the Isle of Patmos by the Roman Emperor Domitian in about 95 AD ) was caught up ( in Spirit ) to the 3rd heaven, to witness Past, Present, & Future events! So He got to see the Future Great Trib. where humans that refused to accept the AC mark got beheaded if they got caught! So yes indeed their nonphysical souls/spirits went to Heaven and their dead bodies went to their graves to AWAIT their resurrection at Jesus' Post-Trib. return to REIGN for 1000 Years with them in their resurrection bodies that they get when He is Back on planet earth! The AC & FP get tossed ALIVE into the LOF and their armies get destroyed at Christ's Post-Trib. return ( Rev.19:20-21! Also Satan gets bound in the Pit ( Rev.20:1-3 ) at that SAME time his AC & FP go in the LOF! So don't tell me that their is NO time ( 1000 Literal years ) between Satan being in the Pit before he gets Tossed into the LOF to join his AC & FP 1000 years later as per Rev.20:7-10! Also the surviving people of the Great-Trib. ( that did not get caught when they refused to take the 666 Mark ) will go to Jerusalem each year of those literal 1000 years to WORSHIP the King ( Jesus Christ in His Glorious Supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection body ), the Lord Almighty in Person in Jerusalem as per Zech.14:16! Context is key because Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with those SIX times listed Literal 1000 Years in Rev.20:2-7! And it makes no sense to Bind Satan for just one Literal 24 hr. day in the Pit instead of 1000 Years! Also your say so would have the resurrected Christ only REIGN for 1 day on His Post-Trib. return! FYI He REIGNS for those Literal 1000 years or else Zech.14:16 would be telling a lie about the survivors going EACH year to worship the post-trib. returned Christ! You remain rebuked on that one as per 2 Tim.3:16! -----------------------------

Zechariah 14:4-16​

New International Version​

4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

16 Then the survivors ( of the Great Trib. that refused the Mark ) from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year ( for 1000 years, not one day ) to worship the King, the Lord Almighty ( Jesus in His Glorious resurrection body ), and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
You fail to see that Satan wants his own "Adam", his own brand of Messiah.

Almost 6000 years ago, Satan successfully destroyed God's Adam. Now he gets approval from God to offer mankind his own Adam and Messiah. Satan only suffers 1 human, the FP, whom he "reincarnates" with his spirit. Satan used a serpent in the Garden. Satan uses a human the next time. The only abomination of desolation is this beast image. It is not a human. The only human is the FP. I am not calling the image a living being. Neither does John. It is called a beast always.
WRONG! That is just your say so ( man's word ) yet again because I posted God's say so in those AS IS scriptures that say EXACTLY what I posted! The FP of Rev.19:20 is NOT the First Beast out of sea in Rev.13:1! He ( the FP of Rev.19:20 ) is CLEARLY the Beast out of the Land in Rev.13:11-13 who performed the signs AS LISTED in BOTH Rev.19:20 & Rev.13:13! Case closed on your Continuous WRONG say so ( Man's Word as Opposed to the posted scriptures - God's Word ) that the FP is the Beast out of the sea in Rev.13:1! You remain 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16! You need to learn how to read the scriptures on the SAME Topic ( Rev.13:1-13 & Rev.19:20 ) Correctly! ------------------------------

Revelation 13:11-13​

New International Version​

The Beast out of the Earth​

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon ( Satan ). 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed ( by Satan entering his body for a Mimic of Christ coming back to life after His death on the Cross ). 13 And it ( the 2nd Beast ) performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. ---------------------

Revelation 19:20​

New International Version​

20 But the beast ( of Rev.13:1 ) was captured, and with it the false prophet ( FP - Beast of Rev.13:11-13 ) who had performed the signs on its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) behalf. With these signs he ( the FP ) had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) image ( and Idol, the robot AOD ). The two of them ( AC & FP ) were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. ---------------- Then Satan the dragon gets bound in the Pit as per Rev.20:1-3 ------------------------

Revelation 20:1-3​

New International Version​

The Thousand Years​

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss ( Bottomless PIT ) and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss ( PIT ), and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. ( in Rev.20:7-10 ) and then join the AC & FP in the LOF! ------------------------------ the FP is in RED and the AC & Satan are in Orange
 
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Timtofly

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WRONG! That is just your say so ( man's word ) yet again because I posted God's say so in those AS IS scriptures that say EXACTLY what I posted! The FP of Rev.19:20 is NOT the First Beast out of sea in Rev.13:1! He ( the FP of Rev.19:20 ) is CLEARLY the Beast out of the Land in Rev.13:11-13 who performed the signs AS LISTED in BOTH Rev.19:20 & Rev.13:13! Case closed on your Continuous WRONG say so ( Man's Word as Opposed to the posted scriptures - God's Word ) that the FP is the Beast out of the sea in Rev.13:1! You remain 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16! You need to learn how to read the scriptures on the SAME Topic ( Rev.13:1-13 & Rev.19:20 ) Correctly! ------------------------------

Revelation 13:11-13​

New International Version​

The Beast out of the Earth​

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon ( Satan ). 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed ( by Satan entering his body for a Mimic of Christ coming back to life after His death on the Cross ). 13 And it ( the 2nd Beast ) performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. ---------------------

Revelation 19:20​

New International Version​

20 But the beast ( of Rev.13:1 ) was captured, and with it the false prophet ( FP - Beast of Rev.13:11-13 ) who had performed the signs on its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) behalf. With these signs he ( the FP ) had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) image ( and Idol, the robot AOD ). The two of them ( AC & FP ) were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. ---------------- Then Satan the dragon gets bound in the Pit as per Rev.20:1-3 ------------------------

Revelation 20:1-3​

New International Version​

The Thousand Years​

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss ( Bottomless PIT ) and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss ( PIT ), and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. ( in Rev.20:7-10 ) and then join the AC & FP in the LOF! ------------------------------ the FP is in RED and the AC & Satan are in Orange
So your say so is just man say so the same as any man say so. It is no more God's Word than what I pointed out. Satan is the dragon. The FP is out of Daniel's prophecy. The image is the AC.
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
So your say so is just man say so the same as any man say so. It is no more God's Word than what I pointed out. Satan is the dragon. The FP is out of Daniel's prophecy. The image is the AC.
FYI it's GOD's say so in those scriptures of His that I posted! The FP in Rev.19:20 is the second Beast out of the Earth ( or Land ) in Rev.13:11-13 because Both those scriptures ( God's say so ) says that Beast performed the signs! The First Beast out of the Sea in Rev.13:1 is the AC and NOT the FP as you WRONGFULLY stated in a former post! The Image is an Idol ( AOD ) of the AC and it can move & speak like a non-living robot! Satan is a Fallen angel that gives his power & authority to those 2 beasts! Satan is standing on the shore in Rev.13:1 when the first beast comes out of the sea! Satan, AC, & FP make up the Anti TRINITY that tries to Mimic the Trinity ( FSHS )! Case closed on your say so ( man's word that the FP is the beast in Rev.13:1 ) that OPPOSES God's say so ( Not my say so ) in those posted scriptures that says the FP in Rev.19:20 that performs the signs is the beast out of the earth in Rev.13:11 performing those signs in Rev.13:13! I posted them AS IS! Thus you still remain 100% rebuked ( 2 Tim.3:16 ) with your say so that the First beast of Rev.13:1 is the FP that performed the signs! -----------------------------

New International Version​

The Beast out of the Earth​

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon ( Satan ). 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed ( by Satan entering his body for a Mimic of Christ coming back to life after His death on the Cross ). 13 And it ( the 2nd Beast ) performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. ---------------------

Revelation 19:20​

New International Version​

20 But the beast ( of Rev.13:1 ) was captured, and with it the false prophet ( FP - Beast of Rev.13:11-13 ) who had performed the signs on its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) behalf. With these signs he ( the FP ) had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its ( the Beast of Rev.13:1 ) image ( and Idol, the robot AOD ). The two of them ( AC & FP ) were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur
 

Truth7t7

Active member
I don't smoke! So I do not need your Twisted ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) cigar! The apostle John ( while exiled on the Isle of Patmos by the Roman Emperor Domitian in about 95 AD ) was caught up ( in Spirit ) to the 3rd heaven, to witness Past, Present, & Future events! So He got to see the Future Great Trib. where humans that refused to accept the AC mark got beheaded if they got caught! So yes indeed their nonphysical souls/spirits went to Heaven and their dead bodies went to their graves to AWAIT their resurrection at Jesus' Post-Trib. return to REIGN for 1000 Years with them in their resurrection bodies that they get when He is Back on planet earth! The AC & FP get tossed ALIVE into the LOF and their armies get destroyed at Christ's Post-Trib. return ( Rev.19:20-21! Also Satan gets bound in the Pit ( Rev.20:1-3 ) at that SAME time his AC & FP go in the LOF! So don't tell me that their is NO time ( 1000 Literal years ) between Satan being in the Pit before he gets Tossed into the LOF to join his AC & FP 1000 years later as per Rev.20:7-10! Also the surviving people of the Great-Trib. ( that did not get caught when they refused to take the 666 Mark ) will go to Jerusalem each year of those literal 1000 years to WORSHIP the King ( Jesus Christ in His Glorious Supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection body ), the Lord Almighty in Person in Jerusalem as per Zech.14:16! Context is key because Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with those SIX times listed Literal 1000 Years in Rev.20:2-7! And it makes no sense to Bind Satan for just one Literal 24 hr. day in the Pit instead of 1000 Years! Also your say so would have the resurrected Christ only REIGN for 1 day on His Post-Trib. return! FYI He REIGNS for those Literal 1000 years or else Zech.14:16 would be telling a lie about the survivors going EACH year to worship the post-trib. returned Christ! You remain rebuked on that one as per 2 Tim.3:16! -----------------------------

Zechariah 14:4-16​

New International Version​

4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

16 Then the survivors ( of the Great Trib. that refused the Mark ) from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year ( for 1000 years, not one day ) to worship the King, the Lord Almighty ( Jesus in His Glorious resurrection body ), and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
I don't smoke! So I do not need your Twisted ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) cigar! The apostle John ( while exiled on the Isle of Patmos by the Roman Emperor Domitian in about 95 AD ) was caught up ( in Spirit ) to the 3rd heaven, to witness Past, Present, & Future events! So He got to see the Future Great Trib. where humans that refused to accept the AC mark got beheaded if they got caught! So yes indeed their nonphysical souls/spirits went to Heaven and their dead bodies went to their graves to AWAIT their resurrection at Jesus' Post-Trib. return to REIGN for 1000 Years with them in their resurrection bodies that they get when He is Back on planet earth! The AC & FP get tossed ALIVE into the LOF and their armies get destroyed at Christ's Post-Trib. return ( Rev.19:20-21! Also Satan gets bound in the Pit ( Rev.20:1-3 ) at that SAME time his AC & FP go in the LOF! So don't tell me that their is NO time ( 1000 Literal years ) between Satan being in the Pit before he gets Tossed into the LOF to join his AC & FP 1000 years later as per Rev.20:7-10! Also the surviving people of the Great-Trib. ( that did not get caught when they refused to take the 666 Mark ) will go to Jerusalem each year of those literal 1000 years to WORSHIP the King ( Jesus Christ in His Glorious Supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection body ), the Lord Almighty in Person in Jerusalem as per Zech.14:16! Context is key because Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with those SIX times listed Literal 1000 Years in Rev.20:2-7! And it makes no sense to Bind Satan for just one Literal 24 hr. day in the Pit instead of 1000 Years! Also your say so would have the resurrected Christ only REIGN for 1 day on His Post-Trib. return! FYI He REIGNS for those Literal 1000 years or else Zech.14:16 would be telling a lie about the survivors going EACH year to worship the post-trib. returned Christ! You remain rebuked on that one as per 2 Tim.3:16! -----------------------------

Zechariah 14:4-16​

New International Version​

4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

16 Then the survivors ( of the Great Trib. that refused the Mark ) from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year ( for 1000 years, not one day ) to worship the King, the Lord Almighty ( Jesus in His Glorious resurrection body ), and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

The Eternal Kingdom Is Revealed, Not A Temporary Millennial Kingdom As Many Falsely Teach.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

rod.ney

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Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

The Eternal Kingdom Is Revealed, Not A Temporary Millennial Kingdom As Many Falsely Teach.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
WRONG ! It is NOT yet the New Earth as verse 8 says there are still SEAS and you can't Bind Satan in the PIT for no time at all and then put him in the LOF --------------- 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth ( note, it does not say the New earth with no seas yet, that happens 1000 literal years later in Rev.21:1 ): in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. 16 Then the survivors ( of the Great Trib. that refused the Mark ) from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year ( for 1000 years, not one day ) to worship the King, the Lord Almighty ( Jesus in His Glorious resurrection body ), and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. ----------------- Even the New earth wont be just a SPIRITUAL Realm like Heaven because the New earth is Physical with no seas and the saved People are physical in their new Glorious supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection bodies! Case closed on your 100% WRONG say so that ALL 6 mentions of 1000 years are Not Literal!
 

Truth7t7

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WRONG ! It is NOT yet the New Earth as verse 8 says there are still SEAS and you can't Bind Satan in the PIT for no time at all and then put him in the LOF --------------- 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth ( note, it does not say the New earth with no seas yet, that happens 1000 literal years later in Rev.21:1 ): in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. 16 Then the survivors ( of the Great Trib. that refused the Mark ) from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year ( for 1000 years, not one day ) to worship the King, the Lord Almighty ( Jesus in His Glorious resurrection body ), and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. ----------------- Even the New earth wont be just a SPIRITUAL Realm like Heaven because the New earth is Physical with no seas and the saved People are physical in their new Glorious supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection bodies! Case closed on your 100% WRONG say so that ALL 6 mentions of 1000 years are Not Literal!
(Sea) represents multitudes of people, not the oceans in water.

Did the beast in Revelation 13:1 below, rise out of the sea, like the creature from the black lagoon?

No the beast rises out of the multitudes of people on earth.

Big Smiles!

(Sea) multitudes of armies/people came upon Babylon, as the multitude if the waves.

Jeremiah 51:42KJV

42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.

(Sea) The beast rises out of the multitude of people on earth.

Revelation 13:1KJV

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

(Sea) There was no more multitudes of people, narrow is the way, and few will find it.

Revelation 21:1KJV

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
(Sea) represents multitudes of people, not the oceans in water.

Did the beast in Revelation 13:1 below, rise out of the sea, like the creature from the black lagoon?

No the beast rises out of the multitudes of people on earth.

Big Smiles!

(Sea) multitudes of armies/people came upon Babylon, as the multitude if the waves.

Jeremiah 51:42KJV

42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.

(Sea) The beast rises out of the multitude of people on earth.

Revelation 13:1KJV

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

(Sea) There was no more multitudes of people, narrow is the way, and few will find it.

Revelation 21:1KJV

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
WRONG again because the New earth will have multitudes of people on it! Case closed !
 

Truth7t7

Active member
WRONG again because the New earth will have multitudes of people on it! Case closed !
Sorry Rod, (Sea) In Revelation, Represents Multitudes Of People

Revelation 17:15KJV

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 

Yahweh will increase

Well-known member
Sorry Rod, (Sea) In Revelation, Represents Multitudes Of People

Revelation 17:15KJV

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
This is correct except it is not the multitudes of people in general but rather the multitudes of the wicked people or heathen nations where the beast coming out of the sea arose.
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
Sorry Rod, (Sea) In Revelation, Represents Multitudes Of People

Revelation 17:15KJV

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
The New earth will have Multitudes of SAVED People ONLY ( because All the Unsaved are then in the LOF ) on it! Case still Closed!
 

Truth7t7

Active member
This is correct except it is not the multitudes of people in general but rather the multitudes of the wicked people or heathen nations where the beast coming out of the sea arose.
Our discussion surrounds Rod believing (Sea) in Rev 21:1 below, represents literal oceans of water, it dosent.

(Sea) represents multitudes of people, not the oceans in water.

Did the beast in Revelation 13:1 below, rise out of the sea, like the creature from the black lagoon?

No the beast rises out of the multitudes of people on earth.

Big Smiles!

Sorry Rod, (Sea) In Revelation, Represents Multitudes Of People

Revelation 17:15KJV

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

(Sea) multitudes of armies/people came upon Babylon, as the multitude of the waves.

Jeremiah 51:42KJV

42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.

(Sea) The beast rises out of the multitude of people on earth.

Revelation 13:1KJV

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

(Sea) There was no more multitudes of people, narrow is the way, and few will find it.

Revelation 21:1KJV

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 

Yahweh will increase

Well-known member
Our discussion surrounds Rod believing (Sea) in Rev 21:1 below, represents literal oceans of water, it dosent.

(Sea) represents multitudes of people, not the oceans in water.

Did the beast in Revelation 13:1 below, rise out of the sea, like the creature from the black lagoon?

No the beast rises out of the multitudes of people on earth.

Big Smiles!

Sorry Rod, (Sea) In Revelation, Represents Multitudes Of People

Revelation 17:15KJV

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

(Sea) multitudes of armies/people came upon Babylon, as the multitude of the waves.

Jeremiah 51:42KJV

42 The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.

(Sea) The beast rises out of the multitude of people on earth.

Revelation 13:1KJV

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

(Sea) There was no more multitudes of people, narrow is the way, and few will find it.

Revelation 21:1KJV

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”


The above however contradicts your idea that it just means people period and not the wicked people instead.


No beast rises up from the multitudes of those who are the elect of God through Christ but only from those who are lost of the nations and as per Revelation 13:1.

Also, in the eternal kingdom of God and Christ, there will only be one single nation of people and it will be his elect and that also needs to be included into what is being stated in Revelation 21 as well.
 
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