stiggy wiggy
Well-known member
It never started for you.
Correct. No contest.
Why should I bother?
Correct. Wouldn't do you any good.
It never started for you.
Why should I bother?
Good to see you back on form. Contentless.Correct. No contest.
Correct. Wouldn't do you any good.
Good to see you back on form. Contentless.
Nah, you're content with being a jerk. Then again I can't blame you, it is what you're best at.Incorrect. I'm content with your failure here.
You do know, I hope, that all you say above is your belief about God, what you call "an unlimited being"? It is also your belief that anytime God permits suffering, it is needless.There is no such thing as a 'good reason' for an unlimited being to permit/cause harm because an unlimited being never, ever needs to do so
Anytime an unlimited being permits/causes harm it is, by definition, a needless harm and, as we have already established, it is immoral to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others
Nah, you're content with being a jerk. Then again I can't blame you, it is what you're best at.
You do know, I hope, that all you say above is your belief about God, what you call "an unlimited being"? It is also your belief that anytime God permits suffering, it is needless.
Yours is a belief about God that is contrary to the belief that is espoused at Romans 8:20-22 wherein it acknowledges that it was God who subjected his human creation to futility and a groaning in pain together, but that he did so for a purpose namely, that his human creation will be set free from corruption and death and come to have the glorious freedom of the children of God. In other words, not needless.
The writer of those words revealed his attitude towards the suffering we experience when he wrote at Romans 8:19: the sufferings of the present time do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed. What is that glory? No more growing old and dying, no more sickness, no more war, no more hunger or want or greed or wickedness; a peaceable and clean planet where all families can live together in peace and harmony. For forever! His is the same attitude of all those who come to accept the certainty of the promise.
We are not indifferent to the suffering, we experience it ourselves as do others who we care deeply for. We also understand that there is a reason for it, it is not needless and that all those who have lived and suffered and died - and who want it - will experience a complete and thorough healing, they will be made whole and the memory of these days will fade away; they will not be called to mind.
But why did God choose this way? In short it was because of the nature of the rebellion in Eden; the rebellion was against the rightfulness of God's rule. God could have used his power to crush the rebellion but that would not have answered the challenge - are we better off listening to God or are we better off some other way. Allowing a period of time for those who do not want direction from God to demonstrate their ways will settle it however.
john
I don't think so, you're a natural.I hone my skills on your jerkiness.
I don't think so, you're a natural.
No, you're the same with everyone. I understand they're going to make Treeplanter a saint.But you're the ultimate prototype.
I understand they're going to make Treeplanter a saint.
Forgive, but are you talking about yourself? You seem to have no idea of how to be reasonable. I don't mean to be rude, but it sort of fits with you.Too late. Jude is already Saint of Hopeless Causes.
Forgive, but are you talking about yourself?
Considering your posting style, why should I believe you?If you want me to. I'll go first. I was born in a log cabin in Statesboro, Georgia. My hobbies include fishing, lacrosse and bobbing for tadpoles. I once met George Wendt at a gas station.
Considering your posting style, why should I believe you?
I know.You shouldn't.
Of course. What else do you do?I was lying.
Well that was completely unexpected but, thank you. JohnLet this lady give her input into the subject:
Finally, an intelligent question.Why can't you face a proper examination of God...
You are deviant, and attempt to claim others are more deviant than you.How does my behavior deviate from the moral standard that I claim?
Explain!
And you don't see a problem with the idea of God, as you say, subjecting humans to suffering in order to free them from suffering? A-theists are being completely reasonable when they reject such an absurd plan. Think for a minute...no human father would cause suffering and pain to his children in order to relieve their suffering and pain. Would you do that? If not, then why claim God did that exact thing?<snip>
Yours is a belief about God that is contrary to the belief that is espoused at Romans 8:20-22 wherein it acknowledges that it was God who subjected his human creation to futility and a groaning in pain together, but that he did so for a purpose namely, that his human creation will be set free from corruption and death and come to have the glorious freedom of the children of God. In other words, not needless.
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