Eightcrackers
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Correct.
"Enough people think it's right" = "enforced", but
"enforced" =/= "correct" and
"enough people think it's right" =/= "correct".
A bizarre definition of morality from the guy who loves to tell us he's more moral than the God whom he supposedly doesn't believe exists
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"Enough people think it's right" = "enforced", but
"enforced" =/= "correct" and
"enough people think it's right" =/= "correct".
Furion
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Might makes right.
Tell the guy sitting in jail you are not right, but by your might you take away all the man has or will ever have. It's like you are a little god or something.
Eightcrackers
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Nwrt.
"You knew the rules - violate the principles that the (vast) majority consider right, and you go to jail."
stiggy wiggy
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Very clear. You think there are situations where rape would not be immoral.
Eightcrackers
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Wrong - there are situations where rape would not be considered immoral.
stiggy wiggy
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Short term memory loss, eh?
Your words:
The vast, overwhelming majority of us ARE NOT socio/psychopaths like the individuals that you and SteveB keep harping on about...
stiggy wiggy
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Then what determines if it actually is?
Eightcrackers
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As I've said before, I don't see an "is" independent of consideration.
The question makes no sense to me.
treeplanter
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I was stating a fact, stiggy
It is true that the vast, overwhelming majority of us are not socio/psychopaths
How do you then make the leap that I am claiming that majority rules??
Bizarre...
treeplanter
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Stiggy: "Who determines what is good and just?"
Treeplanter: "We do"
Stiggy: "And Ted Bundy and Hitler and Pol Pot and Bill Cosby and OJ and Jack the Ripper too, right?"
Treeplanter: "Yes, that's right, stiggy. Guess what, though? The vast, overwhelming majority of us ARE NOT socio/psychopaths like the individuals that you and SteveB keep harping on about..."
My claim is that humanity determines what is right and wrong
You brought up the existence of a few psychos as if that nullifies humanity's collective judgement and/or negates humanity's ability to judge
I reassured you that there aren't many psychos and the rest of us {vast majority} are doing just fine as we collectively determine right from wrong
And not only did you think this exchange warranted a new thread, but you embarrassed yourself by fundamentally misunderstanding the exchange
Treeplanter: "We do"
Stiggy: "And Ted Bundy and Hitler and Pol Pot and Bill Cosby and OJ and Jack the Ripper too, right?"
Treeplanter: "Yes, that's right, stiggy. Guess what, though? The vast, overwhelming majority of us ARE NOT socio/psychopaths like the individuals that you and SteveB keep harping on about..."
My claim is that humanity determines what is right and wrong
You brought up the existence of a few psychos as if that nullifies humanity's collective judgement and/or negates humanity's ability to judge
I reassured you that there aren't many psychos and the rest of us {vast majority} are doing just fine as we collectively determine right from wrong
And not only did you think this exchange warranted a new thread, but you embarrassed yourself by fundamentally misunderstanding the exchange
stiggy wiggy
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Easy:
Stiggy: "Who determines what is good and just?"
Treeplanter: "We do"
Stiggy: "And Ted Bundy and Hitler and Pol Pot and Bill Cosby and OJ and Jack the Ripper too, right?"
Treeplanter: "Yes, that's right, stiggy. Guess what, though? The vast, overwhelming majority of us ARE NOT socio/psychopaths like the individuals that you and SteveB keep harping on about..."
stiggy wiggy
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Exactly. If "humanity" determines that rape is not wrong, therefore it's not, right?
treeplanter
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Oh, I see!
Because I used the word MAJORITY that must mean that my position is that majority rules
And your position must be that Hitler was a good and just ruler because you did, after all, use the word HITLER...
stiggy wiggy
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Exactly. You think when it comes to morality, majority rules.
treeplanter
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Ho
Humanity's differentiation of right from wrong depends upon a standard, stiggy
The standard is this:
To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon another is wrong
If humanity devolved to the point where the vast, overwhelming majority of us were socio/psychopaths - rape would still be wrong because the standard still exists and rape, by definition, still qualifies as a conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm upon another person
If it helps you to do so - you may think of this 'standard' as God
{except the standard never, ever contradicts itself...}
Humanity doesn't differentiate between right and wrong in a nilly willy fashion
Humanity's differentiation of right from wrong depends upon a standard, stiggy
The standard is this:
To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon another is wrong
If humanity devolved to the point where the vast, overwhelming majority of us were socio/psychopaths - rape would still be wrong because the standard still exists and rape, by definition, still qualifies as a conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm upon another person
If it helps you to do so - you may think of this 'standard' as God
{except the standard never, ever contradicts itself...}
treeplanter
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No, I don't
And if I were as cool, calm, and collected as you - I would be calling you a LIAR right about now
stiggy wiggy
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Who or what determines that standard?
treeplanter
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Humanity
stiggy wiggy
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Your words:
"Humanity's differentiation of right from wrong depends upon a standard, stiggy"
So I ask what determines that condition, and you say humanity. So humanity determines humanity's standard. How does it determine that?
(You've really pointed yourself into a corner this time, didn't you?)
treeplanter
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Yes, humanity determines humanity's standard!
What are you not understanding?
A man might have a standard for what he is looking for in a potential female companion
Perhaps that standard is that she can weigh no more than 120 pounds
A woman might have a standard for what she looking for in a potential male companion
Perhaps that standard is that he can be no less than 6 foot tall
Who do you think has determined these standards?
The man in question did!
The woman in question did!
How do we, humanity, determine our collective standard that to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others is wrong?
Probably a combination of pure empathy and a desire not to be, ourselves, needlessly harmed
Our human standard benefits everyone, stiggy
Can you not see that?