A lot of Catholics do not use Catholicism "properly".. self included

Terry43

Terry43

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stjerome5 said:
why do i want to roll my eyes?

but then I tell myself protestants are just ignorant (don't know what informed Catholics know)

The Presence is THERE whether you partake of Holy Communion or not. Anyone who walkss into the Church is in Christ's Presence (except on Good Friday when He is moved temporarily)
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Are you refering to the crackers in the "tabernacle"?
 
4Him

4Him

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stjerome5 said:
looks like Satan is ubiquitous also... (though of course not omnipotent like God)

According to John 8:44 Satan rules the world and advances whom he chooses to advance... thwarts whomever he does not like.

so yeh... there goes your argument
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Uh, Satan can't do anything God doesn't allow Him to do....so no, Satan doesn't have the power you think he does.
 
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romishpopishorganist

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mica said:
where do you get this 'info' ?
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Nondenom40 said:
So they become God? Able to hear all kinds of prayers from all over the world simultaneously? Just because they are in heaven doesn't mean they acquire attributes of deity.
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Of course they do not become God. But they do not have the physical limitations of a time bound world either. It is their perfect union with Christ that allows them to hear prayers from all over the world simultaneously.
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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romishpopishorganist said:
Of course they do not become God. But they do not have the physical limitations of a time bound world either. It is their perfect union with Christ that allows them to hear prayers from all over the world simultaneously.
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I'd like to see proof of that statement. Even in Luke 16 the rich man never said he heard the prayers of his brothers. He wanted Abraham to send lazarus back so he could tell them what awaits them if they didn't repent. Abe said nope, they have moses and the prophets...i.e. scripture.

Theres not a hint or shred of evidence to prove what youre saying. You say 'they don't become Gods' then turn around and say ya but they can hear everyone from all over the world at the same time. Kinda sounds like God to me. Being in heaven doesn't mean we can therefore transcend time and space. Heaven is in one dimension, earth and this universe in another. We are separated. And we won't be united until we are all together there.
 
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mica

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Nondenom40 said:
I hadn't seen your post yet. Catholicism doesn't have a shred of evidence for most of what it teaches. Evidence they do have is apocryphal or spurious at best.
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and that is what they base their beliefs on instead of Christ and His word.

they should be thinking about Abe denying the request of Lazsarus.

and that their pope declaring someone to be a catholic 'saint' is not God making them one of His saints. they are like Lazarus, lost and unable to communicate with his brothers.
 
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romishpopishorganist

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Nondenom40 said:
I'd like to see proof of that statement. Even in Luke 16 the rich man never said he heard the prayers of his brothers. He wanted Abraham to send lazarus back so he could tell them what awaits them if they didn't repent. Abe said nope, they have moses and the prophets...i.e. scripture.
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Yeah, I am not sure what this has to do with anything. I am aware of no one who is asking Abraham to send the saints to us so they can warn us of what awaits in the afterlife if we do not repent.

I am, however, aware of people who ask the saints to pray for them; knowing that if the prayer is granted, it is God who granted the prayer, not the saint. If a miracle is worked, it is understood that God works the miracle either directly or through the saint----not the saint himself or herself.
Nondenom40 said:
There's not a hint or shred of evidence to prove what you're saying. You say 'they don't become Gods' then turn around and say ya but they can hear everyone from all over the world at the same time. Kind of sounds like God to me.
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No; being God does not merely mean hearing the prayers of many people at once, being God means being eternal and all powerful.
Nondenom40 said:
Being in heaven doesn't mean we can therefore transcend time and space. Heaven is in one dimension, earth and this universe in another. We are separated. And we won't be united until we are all together there.
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Separated? Perhaps; but it does not follow that the "separation" is impossible to breach. The bonds of love do not unravel with death.
 
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mica

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romishpopishorganist said:
Yeah, I am not sure what this has to do with anything. I am aware of no one who is asking Abraham to send the saints to us so they can warn us of what awaits in the afterlife if we do not repent.

I am, however, aware of people who ask the saints to pray for them; knowing that if the prayer is granted, it is God who granted the prayer, not the saint. If a miracle is worked, it is understood that God works the miracle either directly or through the saint----not the saint himself or herself.
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rcc / man made saints. that doesn't make them saints of God.

His saints pray direct to Him. catholics pray to men. most likely men who don't know Him. you have nothing to support that they do.

romishpopishorganist said:
No; being God does not merely mean hearing the prayers of many people at once, being God means being eternal and all powerful.

Separated? Perhaps; but it does not follow that the "separation" is impossible to breach. The bonds of love do not unravel with death.
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please post where ND posted anything close to 'merely means hearing the prayers of many people at once'.

i don't see that in his post. you're either having a vision or making it up, much like you do when you read scripture. time for the eyes to be checked?
 
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balshan

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romishpopishorganist said:
Of course they do not become God. But they do not have the physical limitations of a time bound world either. It is their perfect union with Christ that allows them to hear prayers from all over the world simultaneously.
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Evidence for that fact, have you had a discussion with someone who has passed on. We do not know anything about that new state of being at all. But they will not have the attributes that only belong to God.
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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romishpopishorganist said:
Yeah, I am not sure what this has to do with anything. I am aware of no one who is asking Abraham to send the saints to us so they can warn us of what awaits in the afterlife if we do not repent.

I am, however, aware of people who ask the saints to pray for them; knowing that if the prayer is granted, it is God who granted the prayer, not the saint. If a miracle is worked, it is understood that God works the miracle either directly or through the saint----not the saint himself or herself.

No; being God does not merely mean hearing the prayers of many people at once, being God means being eternal and all powerful.

Separated? Perhaps; but it does not follow that the "separation" is impossible to breach. The bonds of love do not unravel with death.
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Still not a shred of evidence. Thanks we all know there isn't any. Your opinion is noted, and rejected.
 
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romishpopishorganist

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balshan said:
Evidence for that fact, have you had a discussion with someone who has passed on. We do not know anything about that new state of being at all. But they will not have the attributes that only belong to God.
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Except that I know of no Catholic who has "discussions" with saints or people who have passed on.

I just know of people who ask for the prayers of the saints.
 
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stjerome5

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Nondenom40 said:
I hadn't seen your post yet. Catholicism doesn't have a shred of evidence for most of what it teaches. Evidence they do have is apocryphal or spurious at best.
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right.. because u say so

well, I hve more reliable sources..

one is

my own experiences in life. Try arguing with that...
 
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