A must see. Argue with this.

Unbound68

Well-known member
If there is a really old manuscript found by archaologists today, would you want a new Bible translated from it?
So what if he would? You’ve stated that we only need a single verse!

Anything you have to say about modern versions and digging for older manuscripts is rendered irrelevant by that concession.
 

Unbound68

Well-known member
Do you agree with Hort?
About what exactly?

Again, do you know why he made the “vile” comment about the TR?

Do you know the dates of the manuscripts used for the TR?

Do you know how much the
TR agrees with the UBS6/NA28 text?

Which TR has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has all of God’s words in the text, rather than in the margin?

Does a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, or not?
 
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Truther

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Which doesn’t address the post to which you’re responding at all. Try reading it again.

Here it is:

Actually all translations have “son of the morning” or “son of the dawn.” Those phrases aren’t translations of helel. They’re translations of ben sahar, which FOLLOWS helel.

You don’t even have enough of a grasp of the facts to know that.

Your preferred Latin translation of “helel” as lucifer is the issue.

Further, why do you believe the Latin translation of a Hebrew word should be transferred to English without being translated out of Latin?
I don't care if you call Satan "morning star" and Jesus "morning star".

That's your problem, not mine.
 

Truther

Well-known member
Who’s “they?” What work are they quoting from? Give me the author, title, and page number from your KJVO source, and the author, title, and page number of the work they’re quoting from.


Who said I was trying to get you to “unsee” it?


Oh my gosh. What do I do now? 🙄


Busted for what? Do you even know how to properly use English words?
"They" is the video.

Watch it instead of Thurs night football tonight.
 

Truther

Well-known member
Then stop celebrating Easter based upon the equinox. There is zero evidence for your claim. Zero. You celebrate Easter based upon the equinox!!!

If what you say is true, then you are living a lie.
I celebrate Easter as a fulfilled pascha feast instead of some phony communion rite.
 

Truther

Well-known member
So what if he would? You’ve stated that we only need a single verse!

Anything you have to say about modern versions and digging for older manuscripts is rendered irrelevant by that concession.
An admission that you do not have the word of God yet.

Busted.
 

Truther

Well-known member
About what exactly?

Again, do you know why he made the “vile” comment about the TR?

Do you know the dates of the manuscripts used for the TR?

Do you know how much the
TR agrees with the UBS6/NA28 text?

Which TR has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has all of God’s words in the text, rather than in the margin?

Does a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, or not?
Do you think the TR is vile?

Wretched?

Wicked?

All 3?
 

organgrinder

Super Member
I don't care if you call Satan "morning star" and Jesus "morning star".

That's your problem, not mine.
Avoided the question Unbound68 asked. Here is the question:

Further, why do you believe the Latin translation of a Hebrew word should be transferred to English without being translated out of Latin?
 

Truther

Well-known member
Avoided the question Unbound68 asked. Here is the question:

Further, why do you believe the Latin translation of a Hebrew word should be transferred to English without being translated out of Latin?
I know nothing about translating. I’ll leave that to the modernists. The point I am making is you guys are OK with calling both Jesus and Satan the morning star.
 

Unbound68

Well-known member
you guys are OK with calling both Jesus and Satan the morning star.
You keep on asserting that red herring without attempting to prove it. Show us where the modern versions "call satan the morning star."

I predict you won't provide any proof for your ridiculous assertion because you know what awaits, and you aren't knowledgeable enough on the topic to refute the many points and questions I've been bringing up thus far.
 

Unbound68

Well-known member
Do you think the TR is vile?

Wretched?

Wicked?

All 3?
Is not answering a single question I ask going to be a habit of yours?

Here they are again:

Again, do you know why he made the “vile” comment about the TR?

Do you know the dates of the manuscripts used for the TR?

Do you know how much the TR agrees with the UBS6/NA28 text?

Which TR has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has no errors of any kind?

Which KJV has all of God’s words in the text, rather than in the margin?

Does a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, or not?
 

Unbound68

Well-known member
I know nothing about translating.
You don't need to know anything about translating. You're purposely dodging the question.

See if you can follow along:

  • "Lucifer" is not the English translation of any Hebrew word in Isaiah 14:12.
  • "Lucifer" is not the English translation of "sawtan" (satan) either, which doesn't even appear in Isaiah 14:12.
  • "Lucifer" is the LATIN translation of the Hebrew word "helel" in Isaiah 14:12.
  • The LATIN translation "lucifer" was moved from the Latin Vulgate, AS IS, into the English Bible without being translated into English.
  • "Helel" is not a proper name.
  • "Lucifer" is not a proper name.
  • "Lucifer" is not "satan."
  • Therefore "satan" is NOT being called the morning star in Isaiah 14:12, in any version.
 

Unbound68

Well-known member
"They" is the video.

Watch it instead of Thurs night football tonight.
So you make these claims about what W/H said, and, when asked for bibliographic info from your KJVO sources and W/H to prove what you say, you refuse to provide it and instead refer me to a video.

That tells me you don't know what you're talking about at all.

Instead of relying on the dishonest KJVO crowd to tell you what W/H said, look up The Westcott and Hort Resource Centre. Brian Tegart from "Bible Version Discussion Board" started that site before he passed away some years ago.


Actually, here's the link:
Westcott and Hort Resource Centre
 
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Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Easter(Acts 12:4) has ZERO to do with equinox or Astartis etc.

The KJV translators simply called the CHRISTIAN VERSION of the pascha feast "Easter".

Alexander Hislop invented a whopper.

Herod wanted to make a martyr of Peter at the time of the celebration of the Lord's death to please the Jews.

That's the truth.

You heard it for the first time in your life by Truther.
Show us the evidence of this whopper!

The rest of your post is void of anything that is true.
 
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