#### Sketo

##### Well-known member

“Proponents of libertarian freedom say that given all the

**influences involved,**, his choice of x or y is determined by his will alone. The will is free to choose for

__including__the man’s own character, personality, and preferences__or against any or__such that there is no determining factor for his particular choice outside the own function of his will, which is mysterious and beyond full comprehension.”

**all influences**Note “The will is free to choose for or...

__... any or all influences” including “the__

**against****!**

__man’s own character, personality, and preferences”__This means man may “prefer” Christ but “will” could “mysteriously” “choose against” that “preference”!

Libertarian Freewillism is like a random chance dice game!

I like to call it

**Flip-a-coin-ism**because when you exhaust all possibilities that could determine the outcome, in this system, they are reduced to mere “influences” and because of that you are still left with a random chance outcome!

To understand this description consider...

If everything outside of the will is merely an influencer and what goes on within the will is a “mystery” then it could be explained like this...

Imagine you have two options, x and y, and the will create a 2 sided coin! On one side is x and on the other side is y!

X|Y

Then will considers an influence like “desire” and it happens to be for option x. Now the coin turns into a 3 sided die... with 2 sides for x and one side for y. Still random chance with slightly better odds for x.

X|X|Y

Then the “influence” of “personality” is considered and it is for y, so we now have a 4 sided die... with 2 sides x and 2 sides y. Practically back to a coin again with the odds.

X|X|Y|Y

This keeps going until all influences are considered and at the end you may, for example, end up with a 20 sided die with 9 sides for x and 11 sides for y... but still random!

X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|

Inside the will is now the creation of this complex die and the die is thrown by the will and whichever of the 20 sides it finally lands on is the option chosen!

Maybe this time it “mysteriously” lands on y, but if you notice above this is not what “desire” had influenced... therefore since desire is a mere influence, and not a cause, this is what you may get according to Libertarian Freewillism!

Sorry “desire”... better LUCK next time!!!

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In this system one may desire Christ... but remember “desire” is only an “influence”, and not a cause, therefore “will” may perhaps “randomly” choose against desire and there is nothing God can do about it without violating your so called “libertarian freewillism”!

Man centered system! Flip-a-coin-ism!