A Practical Understanding Of Libertarian Freewillism!

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TomFL

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There are two choices here

1) God “foreknows” because God determines the future...
or
2) God “foreknows” because something outside of God determines the future...

Number 1 has much Bible support!

Number 2 is philosophical and has zero Bible support!


Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
False dilemma

Smacks of open theism

because it denies God can know what he has not determined


further the idea God determines all of mans sin is unbiblical

ames 1:13 ¶ Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

1Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Jer. 19:5 —ESV
“and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind—”

which you have never addressed not even one time
 

Sketo

Well-known member
There are two choices here

1) God “foreknows” because God determines the future...
or
2) God “foreknows” because something outside of God determines the future...

Number 1 has much Bible support!

Number 2 is philosophical and has zero Bible support!


Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
...
because it denies God can know what he has not determined
Then you have opted for... “2) God “foreknows” because something outside of God determines the future...”

“Number 2 is philosophical and has zero Bible support!”

Which is why you deflect away from biblical support of your side!

Everyone can see you show zero biblical support for your side!
 
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TomFL

Guest
...

Then you have opted for... “2) God “foreknows” because something outside of God determines the future...”

“Number 2 is philosophical and has zero Bible support!”

Which is why you deflect away from biblical support of your side!

Everyone can see you show zero biblical support for your side!
Wrong

You just ignored the fact of a noted false dilemma

You merely assume there is no option 3

God knows everything even what he did not determine

Again you are feeding a belief in open theism
 
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TomFL

Guest
What is “option 3”... and your biblical support for it!
I already told you why do you ignore it


You just ignored the fact of a noted false dilemma

You merely assume there is no option 3

God knows everything even what he did not determine

Again you are feeding a belief in open theism
 

Sketo

Well-known member
Then you have opted for... “2) God “foreknows” because something outside of God determines the future...”

“Number 2 is philosophical and has zero Bible support!”

Which is why you deflect away from biblical support of your side!

Everyone can see you show zero biblical support for your side!

...

I already told you why do you ignore it

You just ignored the fact of a noted false dilemma

You merely assume there is no option 3

God knows everything even what he did not determine

I thought I made it big enough for you to see but I guess not!

Again for your convenience...

What is “option 3”... and your biblical support for it!
 
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TomFL

Guest
I thought I made it big enough for you to see but I guess not!

Again for your convenience...
You still ignored it

Maybe you should have enlarged my post so you might see

I already told you why do you ignore it

You just ignored the fact of a noted false dilemma

You merely assume there is no

option 3

God knows everything even what he did not determine
 
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Sketo

Well-known member
Libertarian Freewillism is like a random chance dice game!

I like to call it Flip-a-coin-ism because when you exhaust all possibilities that could determine the outcome, in this system, they are reduced to mere “influences” and because of that you are still left with a random chance outcome!

To understand this description consider...

If everything outside of the will is merely an influencer and what goes on within the will is a “mystery” then it could be explained like this...

Imagine you have two options, x and y, and the will create a 2 sided coin! On one side is x and on the other side is y!

X|Y

Then will considers an influence like “desire” and it happens to be for option x. Now the coin turns into a 3 sided die... with 2 sides for x and one side for y. Still random chance with slightly better odds for x.

X|X|Y

Then the “influence” of “personality” is considered and it is for y, so we now have a 4 sided die... with 2 sides x and 2 sides y. Practically back to a coin again with the odds.

X|X|Y|Y

This keeps going until all influences are considered and at the end you may, for example, end up with a 20 sided die with 9 sides for x and 11 sides for y... but still random!

X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|

Inside the will is now the creation of this complex die and the die is thrown by the will and whichever of the 20 sides it finally lands on is the option chosen!

Maybe this time it “mysteriously” lands on y, but if you notice above this is not what “desire” had influenced... therefore since desire is a mere influence, and not a cause, this is what you may get according to Libertarian Freewillism!

Sorry “desire”... better LUCK next time!!!



In this system one may desire Christ... but remember “desire” is only an “influence”, and not a cause, therefore “will” may perhaps “randomly” choose against desire and there is nothing God can do about it without violating your so called “libertarian freewillism”!

Man centered system! Flip-a-coin-ism!


Apparently in Provisionism you can prove you have freewill by confessing that you don’t have freewill…🤔🤪

 
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